Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV

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Aditya Mahajan

27 Sep 2008 27 Sep '08

10:35 a.m.

Hi everyone, I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt. Thesis: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.pdf Source: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.tar.gz Presentation: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis-presentation.p... Overall it was a pleasant experience, but there were some difficulties. I am summarizing my experience here. Hopefully, others will find it useful. * Layout and Formatting: It was extremely simple to set up the layout and formatting according to the thesis specifications. Due to the ease of changing formatting, I experimented quite a bit with the formatting before settling down to what is in the thesis (The school wanted "nothing fancy"). * Organizing large projects: The product-component structure made it easy to work on single chapters. However, I could not get correct numbering for the components (If I compiled chapter-02, it got numbered 1). In the end, I was just compiling the whole thesis at the time, since it was pretty fast (~10 sec). * Fonts: Using different fonts with MKIV was really easy. For the presentation, I did have some trouble in getting Euler to work with the minimals. Hopefully, this will be corrected soon. * Math: The math alignments worked very nicely, but I had to do a lot of manual tweaking at a lot of places. Also, equations seem to like to have a tendency of starting on a new page. I tried changing penalties for predisplay and postdisplay (which are set to zero), but it invariably led to bad page breaks at other places. At some places, the equation overlapped with the previous material. I am not sure what was causing this (medium interline spacing, wrong calculation of the width of the previous line, or something else). In the end, I simply put a few manual \break[small] here and there. Being able to write unicode math made simplified reading math markup. * Metapost: TeX-MP interaction is fast and easy. However, debugging metapost errors is difficult because context does not stop compiling on encountering a metapost error. * Bibliography. For a large part, the bib module was very easy. In the end, there were a few glitches with the formatting of the bibliography (too title space between entries) which I had to manually correct. (Look for \help inside the bbl file). The bbl file sorted authors with multiple entries incorrectly. If I had authors with four publications in a year, say 2000, the came out as 2000d, 2000c, 2000b, 2000a. I wanted 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, and 2000d, so in the end I just edited the bbl file by hand. There was also problem with maybe year. If I had 2000a and 2000b in the bib file, but only referred to 2000b in the thesis, the year came out as 2000b rather than 2000. For this also, I edited the bbl file by hand. Overall, ConTeXt made writing the thesis fairly easy. I mean the typesetting part of it. For those who are wondering, ConTeXt does not help with the content of the thesis :-) I would like to thank Hans and Taco for providing ConTeXt and everyone on the mailing list for answering my various questions. Aditya

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Hans Hagen

28 Sep 28 Sep

7:59 a.m.

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

congratulations!

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Thesis: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.pdf

impressive and it also looks nice (the large interline spacing even looks ok -)

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Source: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.tar.gz

Presentation: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis-presentation.p...

Overall it was a pleasant experience, but there were some difficulties. I am summarizing my experience here. Hopefully, others will find it useful.

* Layout and Formatting: It was extremely simple to set up the layout and formatting according to the thesis specifications. Due to the ease of changing formatting, I experimented quite a bit with the formatting before settling down to what is in the thesis (The school wanted "nothing fancy").

at least they gave you the freedom to play with fonts

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* Organizing large projects: The product-component structure made it easy to work on single chapters. However, I could not get correct numbering for the components (If I compiled chapter-02, it got numbered 1). In the end, I was just compiling the whole thesis at the time, since it was pretty fast (~10 sec).

there is a \setuphead[chapter][file=..] option which should do the job (remin dme to implement that in the upcoming mkiv sectioning mechanisms as well)

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* Fonts: Using different fonts with MKIV was really easy. For the presentation, I did have some trouble in getting Euler to work with the minimals. Hopefully, this will be corrected soon.

indeed; anyhow, your thesis proofs that luatex can be used for real production

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* Math: The math alignments worked very nicely, but I had to do a lot of manual tweaking at a lot of places. Also, equations seem to like to have a tendency of starting on a new page. I tried changing penalties for predisplay and postdisplay (which are set to zero), but it invariably led to bad page breaks at other places.

At some places, the equation overlapped with the previous material. I am not sure what was causing this (medium interline spacing, wrong calculation of the width of the previous line, or something else). In the end, I simply put a few manual \break[small] here and there.

in mkiv we can redo the before/after math spacing because there we have the control that we wanted

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Being able to write unicode math made simplified reading math markup.

* Metapost: TeX-MP interaction is fast and easy. However, debugging metapost errors is difficult because context does not stop compiling on encountering a metapost error.

ok, remind me to implement a 'show error when mp fails' mechanism (we may need a way to trigger tex's error mode then from within luatex then; somethin gis possible now but a bit hackery)

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* Bibliography. For a large part, the bib module was very easy. In the end, there were a few glitches with the formatting of the bibliography (too title space between entries) which I had to manually correct. (Look for \help inside the bbl file).

The bbl file sorted authors with multiple entries incorrectly. If I had authors with four publications in a year, say 2000, the came out as 2000d, 2000c, 2000b, 2000a. I wanted 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, and 2000d, so in the end I just edited the bbl file by hand.

There was also problem with maybe year. If I had 2000a and 2000b in the bib file, but only referred to 2000b in the thesis, the year came out as 2000b rather than 2000. For this also, I edited the bbl file by hand.

i like the bibliography layout

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Overall, ConTeXt made writing the thesis fairly easy. I mean the typesetting part of it. For those who are wondering, ConTeXt does not help with the content of the thesis :-) I would like to thank Hans and Taco for providing ConTeXt and everyone on the mailing list for answering my various questions.

Mikael Persson

9:45 a.m.

Wow, that looks very nice! I hope you do not feel I am stealing your thread now (I do not mean to). I did also finish my thesis (in mathematics) recently, written "in ConTeXt". For this I had a lot of help with your doc "Using \startalign and friends", thank you. The thesis is available at http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/mp-thesis-final.pdf and a short presentation of the third paper http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/pres.pdf Some comments: * At our university the thesis should be printed on the (not really standard) G5 paper. No problem in defining and using it with ConTeXt. * The bibliography uses Taco's module. I am happy of being able to have different bibliographies in one file. * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents). * Typesetting math worked very smoothly. There is one place where I hade to add some negative vertical space (I could not reproduce this in a minimal file). * I'm very happy with the way MetaPost and ConTeXt work together. * The presentation is inspired by Thomas A. Schmitz' files at http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-2/schmitz/ (thanks!) * The presentation uses Wolfram's Mathematica fonts which I find being very clear. I will happily continue to use ConTeXt in future projects. /Micke P On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

Thesis: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.pdf

Source: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.tar.gz

Presentation: http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis-presentation.p...

Overall it was a pleasant experience, but there were some difficulties. I am summarizing my experience here. Hopefully, others will find it useful.

* Layout and Formatting: It was extremely simple to set up the layout and formatting according to the thesis specifications. Due to the ease of changing formatting, I experimented quite a bit with the formatting before settling down to what is in the thesis (The school wanted "nothing fancy").

* Organizing large projects: The product-component structure made it easy to work on single chapters. However, I could not get correct numbering for the components (If I compiled chapter-02, it got numbered 1). In the end, I was just compiling the whole thesis at the time, since it was pretty fast (~10 sec).

* Fonts: Using different fonts with MKIV was really easy. For the presentation, I did have some trouble in getting Euler to work with the minimals. Hopefully, this will be corrected soon.

* Math: The math alignments worked very nicely, but I had to do a lot of manual tweaking at a lot of places. Also, equations seem to like to have a tendency of starting on a new page. I tried changing penalties for predisplay and postdisplay (which are set to zero), but it invariably led to bad page breaks at other places.

At some places, the equation overlapped with the previous material. I am not sure what was causing this (medium interline spacing, wrong calculation of the width of the previous line, or something else). In the end, I simply put a few manual \break[small] here and there.

Being able to write unicode math made simplified reading math markup.

* Metapost: TeX-MP interaction is fast and easy. However, debugging metapost errors is difficult because context does not stop compiling on encountering a metapost error.

* Bibliography. For a large part, the bib module was very easy. In the end, there were a few glitches with the formatting of the bibliography (too title space between entries) which I had to manually correct. (Look for \help inside the bbl file).

The bbl file sorted authors with multiple entries incorrectly. If I had authors with four publications in a year, say 2000, the came out as 2000d, 2000c, 2000b, 2000a. I wanted 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, and 2000d, so in the end I just edited the bbl file by hand.

There was also problem with maybe year. If I had 2000a and 2000b in the bib file, but only referred to 2000b in the thesis, the year came out as 2000b rather than 2000. For this also, I edited the bbl file by hand.

Overall, ConTeXt made writing the thesis fairly easy. I mean the typesetting part of it. For those who are wondering, ConTeXt does not help with the content of the thesis :-) I would like to thank Hans and Taco for providing ConTeXt and everyone on the mailing list for answering my various questions.

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Hans Hagen

12:23 p.m.

Mikael Persson wrote:

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The thesis is available at

maybe we should collect such links on a wiki page

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http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/mp-thesis-final.pdf

and a short presentation of the third paper

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/pres.pdf

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Some comments: * At our university the thesis should be printed on the (not really standard) G5 paper. No problem in defining and using it with ConTeXt.

just curious ... is it used more often or just at your universiy; it's no problem to add an extra papersize definition

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* The bibliography uses Taco's module. I am happy of being able to have different bibliographies in one file. * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

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* Typesetting math worked very smoothly. There is one place where I hade to add some negative vertical space (I could not reproduce this in a minimal file). * I'm very happy with the way MetaPost and ConTeXt work together. * The presentation is inspired by Thomas A. Schmitz' files at http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-2/schmitz/ (thanks!)

* The presentation uses Wolfram's Mathematica fonts which I find being very clear.

looks nice indeed; are there open type variants of those? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Mikael Persson

1:06 p.m.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Mikael Persson wrote:

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The thesis is available at

maybe we should collect such links on a wiki page

good idea

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http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/mp-thesis-final.pdf

and a short presentation of the third paper

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/pres.pdf

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Some comments: * At our university the thesis should be printed on the (not really standard) G5 paper. No problem in defining and using it with ConTeXt.

just curious ... is it used more often or just at your universiy; it's no problem to add an extra papersize definition

I had no idea about this, so I had a look at wikipedia, which says "... G5 (169x239 mm) and E5 (155x220 mm) are popular in Sweden for printing dissertations [1], but the other formats have not turned out to be particularly useful in practice and they have not caught on internationally." This is taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_size Personally, I'm not sure I will ever come across it again, but if it doesn't slow down anything I see no reason not to have it there.

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* The bibliography uses Taco's module. I am happy of being able to have different bibliographies in one file. * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

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* Typesetting math worked very smoothly. There is one place where I hade to add some negative vertical space (I could not reproduce this in a minimal file). * I'm very happy with the way MetaPost and ConTeXt work together. * The presentation is inspired by Thomas A. Schmitz' files at http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-2/schmitz/ (thanks!)

* The presentation uses Wolfram's Mathematica fonts which I find being very clear.

looks nice indeed; are there open type variants of those?

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From my university installation of these fonts they are only available as type1 fonts (latest version of Mathematica). I found no .otf files in the Mathematica tree at all.

Mikael

Aditya Mahajan

1:21 p.m.

On Sun, 28 Sep 2008, Mikael Persson wrote:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Mikael Persson wrote:

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The thesis is available at

maybe we should collect such links on a wiki page

good idea

These could also be useful for the regression test suite for ConTeXt.

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http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/mp-thesis-final.pdf

and a short presentation of the third paper

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/pres.pdf

Look very nice and professional.

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Some comments: * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present. Aditya

Wolfgang Schuster

1:34 p.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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Some comments: * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts. Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style). \starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript \endinput Wolfgang

Mikael Persson

29 Sep 29 Sep

3:31 a.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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Some comments: * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm. luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font. Do I misuse it? Mikael

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Wolfgang Schuster

3:56 a.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

Am 29.09.2008 um 11:31 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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Some comments: * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext

LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm.

luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font.

Do I misuse it?

Try my test file (I saved the typescript above in type-utopia.tex). \usetypescriptfile[type-utopia] \usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia] \starttext \tf ABC abc 123 \par \it ABC abc 123 \par \bf ABC abc 123 \par \bi ABC abc 123 \par \stoptext Wolfgang

Mikael Persson

7:34 a.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 11:31 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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> Some comments: > * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern > fonts (I > really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go > with > the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, > since I > did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a > problem, I > am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext

LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm.

luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font.

Do I misuse it?

Try my test file (I saved the typescript above in type-utopia.tex).

\usetypescriptfile[type-utopia]

\usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia]

\starttext

\tf ABC abc 123 \par \it ABC abc 123 \par \bf ABC abc 123 \par \bi ABC abc 123 \par

\stoptext

Wolfgang

I'm sorry, but I get this error: %%% define font | font with name putr8a is not found define font | unknown font putr8a, loading aborted ! Font \*utopia12ptrmtfrm*:=file:putr8a*features=default, at 12pt not loadable: metric data not found or bad. <to be read again> \relax \definefontglobal ...dcsname \lastfontname \relax \expandafter \let \expanda... \xxdododefinefont ...tspec {#4}\newfontidentifier \let \localrelativefontsiz... \fontstrategy ...me \fontclass #2#3#4#5\endcsname \tryingfontfalse \fi <inserted text> ...yle \fontalternative \fontsize \fi \iftryingfont \fontstr... \synchronizefont ...strategy \the \fontstrategies \relax \fi \iftryingfont \... ... l.4 \setupbodyfont[utopia] %%% I'm very confused. I guess it means it is looking for some tfm files. Some questions: 1) Do one still (with mkiv) need tfm files? 1a) if not, do I need to do anything to "install" the font file. luatools putr8a.pfb gives the right file, but mtxrun --script fonts --list do not list it. 1b) Is there a difference with the need of tfm files for opentype/type1/ttf fonts? 2) If I use the old fourier.map file I can get the utopia fonts working somehow with luatex (then it is mapped via futr8r.tfm). I also get the fourier math fonts in the pdf, BUT then I still get the problem explained in http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20070830.154143.005528b8.en.html (see http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/ftest.pdf ) Mikael

Mojca Miklavec

7:49 a.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Mikael Persson wrote:

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

I'm very confused. I guess it means it is looking for some tfm files. Some questions:

1) Do one still (with mkiv) need tfm files?

Yes and no. Type1 fonts don't carry enough information about the fonts themselves. Hans sometimes uses afm files instead of tfm, but probably not for math.

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1b) Is there a difference with the need of tfm files for opentype/type1/ttf fonts?

OpenType and TrueType fonts don't need tfm files, but for math you still need them. Mojca

Mikael Persson

12:35 p.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 11:31 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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> Some comments: > * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern > fonts (I > really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go > with > the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, > since I > did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a > problem, I > am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext

LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm.

luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font.

Do I misuse it?

Try my test file (I saved the typescript above in type-utopia.tex).

\usetypescriptfile[type-utopia]

\usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia]

\starttext

\tf ABC abc 123 \par \it ABC abc 123 \par \bf ABC abc 123 \par \bi ABC abc 123 \par

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Mojca did send me a list with the necessary files for fourier+utopia. I put them in http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/fourierandutopia.zip if someone wants to test. I also attach a small (I guess noncomplete) typescript file type-myfourier.tex (the myfourier not to clash with something previously defined) and a file ftest.tex which indeed gives the fourier fonts, but with the error as in http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/ftest.pdf mentioned in a previous mail. I guess this is not the correct way to write typescripts for these fonts in mkiv, but I dont know how to :( Best regards, Mikael PS: Thank you Mojca for giving this list of files and also explain which of the otf/ttf/type1 files that needs typescripts.

Wolfgang Schuster

2:22 p.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

Am 29.09.2008 um 20:35 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 11:31 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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>> Some comments: >> * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern >> fonts (I >> really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go >> with >> the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, >> since I >> did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a >> problem, I >> am not sure how to go on with it for future documents). > > looks quite nice, i also like the font size

Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must there be some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were perfectly working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext

LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm.

luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font.

Do I misuse it?

Try my test file (I saved the typescript above in type-utopia.tex).

\usetypescriptfile[type-utopia]

\usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia]

\starttext

\tf ABC abc 123 \par \it ABC abc 123 \par \bf ABC abc 123 \par \bi ABC abc 123 \par

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Mojca did send me a list with the necessary files for fourier+utopia. I put them in

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/fourierandutopia.zip

if someone wants to test. I also attach a small (I guess noncomplete) typescript file type-myfourier.tex (the myfourier not to clash with something previously defined) and a file ftest.tex which indeed gives the fourier fonts, but with the error as in http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/ftest.pdf mentioned in a previous mail.

I guess this is not the correct way to write typescripts for these fonts in mkiv, but I dont know how to :(

Best regards, Mikael

PS: Thank you Mojca for giving this list of files and also explain which of the otf/ttf/type1 files that needs typescripts.

Math fonts are not available in 'ec' encoding, you have to use 'default' and why do you use the tfm files for Utopia, the afm files are enough. Here is my version: \starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [math] [fourier] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [MathItalic] [futmii] \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol] [futsy] \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [fourier-mex] \loadmapfile[fourier.map] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [fourier,utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [ss] [sans] [modern] [default] [rscale=1.07] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default] [rscale=1.07] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [fourier] [default] [encoding=default] \usemathcollection[fou] \quittypescriptscanning \stoptypescript Wolfgang

Mikael Persson

30 Sep 30 Sep

12:43 a.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 20:35 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 11:31 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

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>>> Some comments: >>> * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern >>> fonts (I >>> really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go >>> with >>> the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, >>> since I >>> did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a >>> problem, I >>> am not sure how to go on with it for future documents). >> >> looks quite nice, i also like the font size > > Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must > there be > some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were > perfectly > working in older mkii)

Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they are not working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext

LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm.

luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font.

Do I misuse it?

Try my test file (I saved the typescript above in type-utopia.tex).

\usetypescriptfile[type-utopia]

\usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia]

\starttext

\tf ABC abc 123 \par \it ABC abc 123 \par \bf ABC abc 123 \par \bi ABC abc 123 \par

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Mojca did send me a list with the necessary files for fourier+utopia. I put them in

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/fourierandutopia.zip

if someone wants to test. I also attach a small (I guess noncomplete) typescript file type-myfourier.tex (the myfourier not to clash with something previously defined) and a file ftest.tex which indeed gives the fourier fonts, but with the error as in http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/ftest.pdf mentioned in a previous mail.

I guess this is not the correct way to write typescripts for these fonts in mkiv, but I dont know how to :(

Best regards, Mikael

PS: Thank you Mojca for giving this list of files and also explain which of the otf/ttf/type1 files that needs typescripts.

Math fonts are not available in 'ec' encoding, you have to use 'default' and why do you use the tfm files for Utopia, the afm files are enough.

Here is my version:

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [math] [fourier] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [MathItalic] [futmii] \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol] [futsy] \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [fourier-mex] \loadmapfile[fourier.map] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [fourier,utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [ss] [sans] [modern] [default] [rscale=1.07] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default] [rscale=1.07] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [fourier] [default] [encoding=default] \usemathcollection[fou] \quittypescriptscanning \stoptypescript

Wolfgang

Thank you very much Wolfgang! I did not have the afm files, and that is why it did not work. So, with your latest type script file, I get the utopia and fourier fonts. However, the old problem that $\hat{f}$ places the hat on f at the wrong place and that { does not stretch (and probably much more) is still there, try %%% \usetypescriptfile[type-wolfgang] \usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia] \starttext \startformula \hat f(x)= \startcases \NC x \MC x>0\NR \NC -x \MC x<0\NR \stopcases \stopformula \stoptext %%% Best regards, Mikael

Mikael Persson

1 Oct 1 Oct

9:43 a.m.

New subject: Utopia and Fourier fonts

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Mikael Persson wrote:

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 20:35 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 29.09.2008 um 11:31 schrieb Mikael Persson:

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On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 28.09.2008 um 21:21 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

>>>> Some comments: >>>> * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern >>>> fonts (I >>>> really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go >>>> with >>>> the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, >>>> since I >>>> did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a >>>> problem, I >>>> am not sure how to go on with it for future documents). >>> >>> looks quite nice, i also like the font size >> >> Thanks. What about getting these fonts to work in mkiv? Must >> there be >> some change in the fonts? Some files in ConTeXt? (they were >> perfectly >> working in older mkii) > > Fourier and Uptopia should work with mkiv. I will check why they > are > not > working at present.

Utopia use "encoding-filename" and MkIV needs the "filename" to load the fonts.

Here is a complete typescript for utopia (without fake slanted and caps style).

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \stoptypescript

\endinput

Wolfgang

Thank you Wolfgang, but this does not work for me with latest minimals. (I have downloaded utopia(+fourier) and they show up in mkii.) I put your lines in a file and add \setupbodyfont[utopia][ec/8r/...] %tried several and also without this last [] \starttext test \stoptext

LuaTeX just compiles and replaces these fonts by lm.

luatools putr8a.pfb gives the resulting location of the pfb file so it actually finds the font.

Do I misuse it?

Try my test file (I saved the typescript above in type-utopia.tex).

\usetypescriptfile[type-utopia]

\usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia]

\starttext

\tf ABC abc 123 \par \it ABC abc 123 \par \bf ABC abc 123 \par \bi ABC abc 123 \par

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Mojca did send me a list with the necessary files for fourier+utopia. I put them in

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/fourierandutopia.zip

if someone wants to test. I also attach a small (I guess noncomplete) typescript file type-myfourier.tex (the myfourier not to clash with something previously defined) and a file ftest.tex which indeed gives the fourier fonts, but with the error as in http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/ftest.pdf mentioned in a previous mail.

I guess this is not the correct way to write typescripts for these fonts in mkiv, but I dont know how to :(

Best regards, Mikael

PS: Thank you Mojca for giving this list of files and also explain which of the otf/ttf/type1 files that needs typescripts.

Math fonts are not available in 'ec' encoding, you have to use 'default' and why do you use the tfm files for Utopia, the afm files are enough.

Here is my version:

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \setups[font:fallback:serif] \definefontsynonym [Serif] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [SerifItalic] [Utopia-Italic] \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [Utopia-Bold] \definefontsynonym [SerifBoldItalic] [Utopia-BoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [serif] [utopia] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Regular] [file:putr8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Italic] [file:putri8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-Bold] [file:putb8a] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [Utopia-BoldItalic] [file:putbi8a] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [math] [fourier] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [Utopia-Regular] \definefontsynonym [MathItalic] [futmii] \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol] [futsy] \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [fourier-mex] \loadmapfile[fourier.map] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [fourier,utopia] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [rm] [serif] [utopia] [default] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [ss] [sans] [modern] [default] [rscale=1.07] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [tt] [mono] [modern] [default] [rscale=1.07] \definetypeface [\typescriptone] [mm] [math] [fourier] [default] [encoding=default] \usemathcollection[fou] \quittypescriptscanning \stoptypescript

Wolfgang

Thank you very much Wolfgang!

I did not have the afm files, and that is why it did not work. So, with your latest type script file, I get the utopia and fourier fonts. However, the old problem that $\hat{f}$ places the hat on f at the wrong place and that { does not stretch (and probably much more) is still there, try

%%% \usetypescriptfile[type-wolfgang] \usetypescript[utopia] \setupbodyfont[utopia] \starttext \startformula \hat f(x)= \startcases \NC x \MC x>0\NR \NC -x \MC x<0\NR \stopcases \stopformula \stoptext %%%

Best regards, Mikael

Wolfgang (or someone else), can you explain why this misbehaviour occurs? Best regards, Mikael

Mikael Persson

29 Sep 29 Sep

3:26 a.m.

On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 8:23 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Mikael Persson wrote:

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The thesis is available at

maybe we should collect such links on a wiki page

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http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/mp-thesis-final.pdf

and a short presentation of the third paper

http://www.math.chalmers.se/~mickep/pres.pdf

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Some comments: * At our university the thesis should be printed on the (not really standard) G5 paper. No problem in defining and using it with ConTeXt.

just curious ... is it used more often or just at your universiy; it's no problem to add an extra papersize definition

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* The bibliography uses Taco's module. I am happy of being able to have different bibliographies in one file. * As a mathematician I was a bit tired of the computer modern fonts (I really like them, but I see them to often), so I decided to go with the utopia/fourier fonts. This forced me to work with mkii, since I did not get these fonts to work with mkiv (This is still a problem, I am not sure how to go on with it for future documents).

looks quite nice, i also like the font size

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* Typesetting math worked very smoothly. There is one place where I hade to add some negative vertical space (I could not reproduce this in a minimal file). * I'm very happy with the way MetaPost and ConTeXt work together. * The presentation is inspired by Thomas A. Schmitz' files at http://www.tug.org/pracjourn/2006-2/schmitz/ (thanks!)

* The presentation uses Wolfram's Mathematica fonts which I find being very clear.

looks nice indeed; are there open type variants of those?

By the way, the Mathematica fonts can be downloaded from (type1 and ttf) http://support.wolfram.com/mathematica/systems/windows/general/latestfonts.e... I'm not sure if that is helpful for anyone, since there are no metric files or whatever (they go with the TeX tree that is shipped with Mathematica) Mikael

Mohamed Bana

28 Sep 28 Sep

11:34 a.m.

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

Aditya

:). But there's a still something missing that I need before I even thinking of typesetting an msc thesis in ConTeXt. I'd like to have something equivelant to the *listings.sty* package; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/15591/focus=15592 or http://vega.soi.city.ac.uk/~abbg770/listing-sample.pdf. I setup listing first; \lstset{breaklines=true, showlines=true, % showing line numbers numbers=left, % where to show line numbers numberstyle=\tiny\color{gray}, numbersep=10pt, % stepnumber=1, % how often to show the line number on the left language=Java, % specifiy the language basicstyle=\ttfamily\small, % print whole listing small keywordstyle=\color{eclipsekeyword}\ttfamily\underbar, % underlined bold black keywords identifierstyle=, % nothing happens commentstyle=\color{eclipsecomment}, % white comments, if you use commentstyle=\color{white}, stringstyle=\ttfamily, % typewriter type for strings showstringspaces=false, % no special string spaces frame=single, backgroundcolor=\color{white}, tabsize=4, showspaces=false, showstringspaces=false} \lstset{morecomment=[s][\color{eclipsejavadoc}]{/**}{*/}} Includes a file, look at Listing B.2 on the pdf I posted. This should be self explanatory; \lstinputlisting[ caption={SpreadsheetParser.java}, label=lst:SpreadsheetParser.java] {source/SpreadsheetParser.java} I can also list inline using the same settings defined in \lstset - but it doesn't break across lines. The choice of charater is arbitrary i.e., I could have chosen to use | instead of !; \lstinline!matcher(CharSequence input)! Similar to preceeding, with line breaking. Also I can refer to it using; \ref{lst:freeformlogfile} \begin{lstlisting}[frame=,label={lst:freeformlogfile},caption={Log File}] import java.util.Arrays; public class ArrayReallocationDemo { public static void main(String[] args) { int[] data1 = new int[] { 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 }; printArray(data1); int[] data2 = Arrays.copyOf(data1, 6); data2[5] = 11; printArray(data2); int[] data3 = Arrays.copyOfRange(data1, 2, 10); printArray(data3); } // print array elements private static void printArray(int[] data) { StringBuilder stringBuilder = new StringBuilder("["); for (int i = 0; i < data.length; i++) { stringBuilder.append(data[i]); if (i < data.length - 1) stringBuilder.append(", "); } stringBuilder.append("]"); System.out.println(stringBuilder); } } \end{lstlisting} Thanks guys

Wolfgang Schuster

12:16 p.m.

New subject: Listings (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

Am 28.09.2008 um 19:34 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

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Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

Aditya

:). But there's a still something missing that I need before I even thinking of typesetting an msc thesis in ConTeXt. I'd like to have something equivelant to the *listings.sty* package; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/15591/focus=15592 or http://vega.soi.city.ac.uk/~abbg770/listing-sample.pdf.

I setup listing first;

\lstset{breaklines=true, showlines=true, % showing line numbers numbers=left, % where to show line numbers numberstyle=\tiny\color{gray}, numbersep=10pt, % stepnumber=1, % how often to show the line number on the left language=Java, % specifiy the language basicstyle=\ttfamily\small, % print whole listing small keywordstyle=\color{eclipsekeyword}\ttfamily\underbar, % underlined bold black keywords identifierstyle=, % nothing happens commentstyle=\color{eclipsecomment}, % white comments, if you use commentstyle=\color{white}, stringstyle=\ttfamily, % typewriter type for strings showstringspaces=false, % no special string spaces frame=single, backgroundcolor=\color{white}, tabsize=4, showspaces=false, showstringspaces=false}

\lstset{morecomment=[s][\color{eclipsejavadoc}]{/**}{*/}}

Includes a file, look at Listing B.2 on the pdf I posted. This should be self explanatory;

\lstinputlisting[ caption={SpreadsheetParser.java}, label=lst:SpreadsheetParser.java] {source/SpreadsheetParser.java}

I can also list inline using the same settings defined in \lstset - but it doesn't break across lines. The choice of charater is arbitrary i.e., I could have chosen to use | instead of !;

\lstinline!matcher(CharSequence input)!

Similar to preceeding, with line breaking. Also I can refer to it using; \ref{lst:freeformlogfile}

\begin{lstlisting}[frame=,label={lst:freeformlogfile},caption={Log File}] import java.util.Arrays;

public class ArrayReallocationDemo {

public static void main(String[] args) { int[] data1 = new int[] { 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 };

printArray(data1); int[] data2 = Arrays.copyOf(data1, 6); data2[5] = 11; printArray(data2);

int[] data3 = Arrays.copyOfRange(data1, 2, 10); printArray(data3); }

// print array elements private static void printArray(int[] data) { StringBuilder stringBuilder = new StringBuilder("["); for (int i = 0; i < data.length; i++) { stringBuilder.append(data[i]); if (i < data.length - 1) stringBuilder.append(", "); } stringBuilder.append("]"); System.out.println(stringBuilder); } } \end{lstlisting}

\setupcolors[state=start] \definetyping[JAVA][option=JV] \setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line] \starttext \startJAVA ... \stopJAVA \stoptext or same preamble as above plus \definefloat[listing][listings] \starttext \placelisting [split] [lst:freeformlogfile] {Log File} {\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA} \stoptext Wolfgang

Mohamed Bana

2:42 p.m.

New subject: Listings

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

...

Am 28.09.2008 um 19:34 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

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...
Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

Aditya :). But there's a still something missing that I need before I even

Aditya Mahajan wrote: thinking of typesetting an msc thesis in ConTeXt. I'd like to have something equivelant to the *listings.sty* package; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/15591/focus=15592 or http://vega.soi.city.ac.uk/~abbg770/listing-sample.pdf.

I setup listing first;

\lstset{breaklines=true, showlines=true, % showing line numbers numbers=left, % where to show line numbers numberstyle=\tiny\color{gray}, numbersep=10pt, % stepnumber=1, % how often to show the line number on the left language=Java, % specifiy the language basicstyle=\ttfamily\small, % print whole listing small keywordstyle=\color{eclipsekeyword}\ttfamily\underbar, % underlined bold black keywords identifierstyle=, % nothing happens commentstyle=\color{eclipsecomment}, % white comments, if you use commentstyle=\color{white}, stringstyle=\ttfamily, % typewriter type for strings showstringspaces=false, % no special string spaces frame=single, backgroundcolor=\color{white}, tabsize=4, showspaces=false, showstringspaces=false}

\lstset{morecomment=[s][\color{eclipsejavadoc}]{/**}{*/}}

Includes a file, look at Listing B.2 on the pdf I posted. This should be self explanatory;

\lstinputlisting[ caption={SpreadsheetParser.java}, label=lst:SpreadsheetParser.java] {source/SpreadsheetParser.java}

I can also list inline using the same settings defined in \lstset - but it doesn't break across lines. The choice of charater is arbitrary i.e., I could have chosen to use | instead of !;

\lstinline!matcher(CharSequence input)!

Similar to preceeding, with line breaking. Also I can refer to it using; \ref{lst:freeformlogfile}

\begin{lstlisting}[frame=,label={lst:freeformlogfile},caption={Log File}] import java.util.Arrays;

public class ArrayReallocationDemo {

public static void main(String[] args) { int[] data1 = new int[] { 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 };

printArray(data1); int[] data2 = Arrays.copyOf(data1, 6); data2[5] = 11; printArray(data2);

int[] data3 = Arrays.copyOfRange(data1, 2, 10); printArray(data3); }

// print array elements private static void printArray(int[] data) { StringBuilder stringBuilder = new StringBuilder("["); for (int i = 0; i < data.length; i++) { stringBuilder.append(data[i]); if (i < data.length - 1) stringBuilder.append(", "); } stringBuilder.append("]"); System.out.println(stringBuilder); } } \end{lstlisting}

\setupcolors[state=start]

\definetyping[JAVA][option=JV]

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line]

\starttext

\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA

\stoptext

or

same preamble as above plus

\definefloat[listing][listings]

\starttext

\placelisting [split] [lst:freeformlogfile] {Log File} {\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Thanks Wolfgang. Source; http://pastebin.com/m40986857 Pdf; http://filebin.ca/kceezh/listing.pdf or http://filebin.ca/kceezh I've still got some issues with it :(. I think I'll just wait till verbatim supports improves. 1. Lines protude into the margin and sometime even go past the end of the page. 2. Why doesn't it show the line numbers for the empty lines? 3. Is there a way to supress the 'there is nothing to split' warning? Mohamed

Wolfgang Schuster

3:23 p.m.

New subject: Listings

Am 28.09.2008 um 22:42 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

...

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

...
Am 28.09.2008 um 19:34 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

...
...
Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

Aditya :). But there's a still something missing that I need before I even

Aditya Mahajan wrote: thinking of typesetting an msc thesis in ConTeXt. I'd like to have something equivelant to the *listings.sty* package; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/15591/focus=15592 or http://vega.soi.city.ac.uk/~abbg770/listing-sample.pdf.

I setup listing first;

\lstset{breaklines=true, showlines=true, % showing line numbers numbers=left, % where to show line numbers numberstyle=\tiny\color{gray}, numbersep=10pt, % stepnumber=1, % how often to show the line number on the left language=Java, % specifiy the language basicstyle=\ttfamily\small, % print whole listing small keywordstyle=\color{eclipsekeyword}\ttfamily\underbar, % underlined bold black keywords identifierstyle=, % nothing happens commentstyle=\color{eclipsecomment}, % white comments, if you use commentstyle=\color{white}, stringstyle=\ttfamily, % typewriter type for strings showstringspaces=false, % no special string spaces frame=single, backgroundcolor=\color{white}, tabsize=4, showspaces=false, showstringspaces=false}

\lstset{morecomment=[s][\color{eclipsejavadoc}]{/**}{*/}}

Includes a file, look at Listing B.2 on the pdf I posted. This should be self explanatory;

\lstinputlisting[ caption={SpreadsheetParser.java}, label=lst:SpreadsheetParser.java] {source/SpreadsheetParser.java}

I can also list inline using the same settings defined in \lstset - but it doesn't break across lines. The choice of charater is arbitrary i.e., I could have chosen to use | instead of !;

\lstinline!matcher(CharSequence input)!

Similar to preceeding, with line breaking. Also I can refer to it using; \ref{lst:freeformlogfile}

\begin{lstlisting}[frame=,label={lst:freeformlogfile},caption={Log File}] import java.util.Arrays;

public class ArrayReallocationDemo {

public static void main(String[] args) { int[] data1 = new int[] { 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 };

printArray(data1); int[] data2 = Arrays.copyOf(data1, 6); data2[5] = 11; printArray(data2);

int[] data3 = Arrays.copyOfRange(data1, 2, 10); printArray(data3); }

// print array elements private static void printArray(int[] data) { StringBuilder stringBuilder = new StringBuilder("["); for (int i = 0; i < data.length; i++) { stringBuilder.append(data[i]); if (i < data.length - 1) stringBuilder.append(", "); } stringBuilder.append("]"); System.out.println(stringBuilder); } } \end{lstlisting}

\setupcolors[state=start]

\definetyping[JAVA][option=JV]

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line]

\starttext

\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA

\stoptext

or

same preamble as above plus

\definefloat[listing][listings]

\starttext

\placelisting [split] [lst:freeformlogfile] {Log File} {\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Thanks Wolfgang.

Source; http://pastebin.com/m40986857 Pdf; http://filebin.ca/kceezh/listing.pdf or http://filebin.ca/kceezh

I've still got some issues with it :(. I think I'll just wait till verbatim supports improves.

1. Lines protude into the margin and sometime even go past the end of the page.

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line, lines=yes] \setuplinenumbering[location=text]

...

2. Why doesn't it show the line numbers for the empty lines?

Could be a MkII bug because it works with MkIV but here appears a new problem, "location=text" for line numbering is not working. Test file for Hans: % engine=luatex \setuplinenumbering[location=text] \showframe \starttext \startlinenumbering A line of text with the line number. \stoplinenumbering \stoptext

...

3. Is there a way to supress the 'there is nothing to split' warning?

It's a bug, I will look for a solution (the caption has to be fixed too). Wolfgang

Wolfgang Schuster

4:04 p.m.

New subject: Listings

Am 28.09.2008 um 23:23 schrieb Wolfgang Schuster:

...

Am 28.09.2008 um 22:42 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

...
Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

...
Am 28.09.2008 um 19:34 schrieb Mohamed Bana:

...
...
Hi everyone,

I finished my thesis, writing both my thesis and my presentation using ConTeXt.

Aditya :). But there's a still something missing that I need before I even

Aditya Mahajan wrote: thinking of typesetting an msc thesis in ConTeXt. I'd like to have something equivelant to the *listings.sty* package; http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.context/15591/focus=15592 or http://vega.soi.city.ac.uk/~abbg770/listing-sample.pdf.

I setup listing first;

\lstset{breaklines=true, showlines=true, % showing line numbers numbers=left, % where to show line numbers numberstyle=\tiny\color{gray}, numbersep=10pt, % stepnumber=1, % how often to show the line number on the left language=Java, % specifiy the language basicstyle=\ttfamily\small, % print whole listing small keywordstyle=\color{eclipsekeyword}\ttfamily\underbar, % underlined bold black keywords identifierstyle=, % nothing happens commentstyle=\color{eclipsecomment}, % white comments, if you use commentstyle=\color{white}, stringstyle=\ttfamily, % typewriter type for strings showstringspaces=false, % no special string spaces frame=single, backgroundcolor=\color{white}, tabsize=4, showspaces=false, showstringspaces=false}

\lstset{morecomment=[s][\color{eclipsejavadoc}]{/**}{*/}}

Includes a file, look at Listing B.2 on the pdf I posted. This should be self explanatory;

\lstinputlisting[ caption={SpreadsheetParser.java}, label=lst:SpreadsheetParser.java] {source/SpreadsheetParser.java}

I can also list inline using the same settings defined in \lstset - but it doesn't break across lines. The choice of charater is arbitrary i.e., I could have chosen to use | instead of !;

\lstinline!matcher(CharSequence input)!

Similar to preceeding, with line breaking. Also I can refer to it using; \ref{lst:freeformlogfile}

\begin{lstlisting}[frame=,label={lst:freeformlogfile},caption={Log File}] import java.util.Arrays;

public class ArrayReallocationDemo {

public static void main(String[] args) { int[] data1 = new int[] { 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 };

printArray(data1); int[] data2 = Arrays.copyOf(data1, 6); data2[5] = 11; printArray(data2);

int[] data3 = Arrays.copyOfRange(data1, 2, 10); printArray(data3); }

// print array elements private static void printArray(int[] data) { StringBuilder stringBuilder = new StringBuilder("["); for (int i = 0; i < data.length; i++) { stringBuilder.append(data[i]); if (i < data.length - 1) stringBuilder.append(", "); } stringBuilder.append("]"); System.out.println(stringBuilder); } } \end{lstlisting}

\setupcolors[state=start]

\definetyping[JAVA][option=JV]

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line]

\starttext

\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA

\stoptext

or

same preamble as above plus

\definefloat[listing][listings]

\starttext

\placelisting [split] [lst:freeformlogfile] {Log File} {\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Thanks Wolfgang.

Source; http://pastebin.com/m40986857 Pdf; http://filebin.ca/kceezh/listing.pdf or http://filebin.ca/kceezh

I've still got some issues with it :(. I think I'll just wait till verbatim supports improves.

1. Lines protude into the margin and sometime even go past the end of the page.

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line, lines=yes]

\setuplinenumbering[location=text]

...
2. Why doesn't it show the line numbers for the empty lines?

Could be a MkII bug because it works with MkIV but here appears a new problem, "location=text" for line numbering is not working.

Test file for Hans:

% engine=luatex

\setuplinenumbering[location=text]

\showframe

\starttext

\startlinenumbering A line of text with the line number. \stoplinenumbering

\stoptext

...
3. Is there a way to supress the 'there is nothing to split' warning?

It's a bug, I will look for a solution (the caption has to be fixed too).

Here is a quick and dirty solution, alisghtly modified version of something I wrote two years ago [1]. The code is not ready for documents because the spacing between the lines is wrong. \unprotect \def\dododostarttyping[#1]% {\typingparameter\c!before \ifinsidesplitfloat \setbox\tablecontentbox\vbox\bgroup % added \fi \startpacked % includes \bgroup \dosetuptypelinenumbering{#1}% \initializetyping \startverbatimcolor \expanded{\mktypeblockverbatim{\s!start\currenttyping}{\s!stop \currenttyping}}} \def\dostoptyping#1% hm, currenttyping {\stopverbatimcolor \stoppacked % includes \egroup \ifinsidesplitfloat \egroup % added \dosplitverbatimbox\tablecontentbox \fi \typingparameter\c!after \egroup \dochecknextindentation{\??tp#1}% \dorechecknextindentation} \def\dosplitverbatimbox#1% {\resettsplit \setbox\tsplitcontent\box#1% \handletsplit} \protect [1] http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20061004.105840.df79ec7f.en.html Regards, Wolfgang

Chen Shen

30 Sep 30 Sep

10:37 a.m.

New subject: Listings (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

Hi Wolfgang, I guess you are referring to mkii features. It seems that formatting in verbatim doesn't work in mkiv yet, or did I miss out something? None of the wiki verbatim examples worked for me. regards, shenchen On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:16 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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\setupcolors[state=start]

\definetyping[JAVA][option=JV]

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line]

\starttext

\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA

\stoptext

or

same preamble as above plus

\definefloat[listing][listings]

\starttext

\placelisting [split] [lst:freeformlogfile] {Log File} {\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

______________________________________________________________

Wolfgang Schuster

11:15 a.m.

New subject: Listings (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

Am 30.09.2008 um 18:37 schrieb Chen Shen:

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Hi Wolfgang,

I guess you are referring to mkii features. It seems that formatting in verbatim doesn't work in mkiv yet, or did I miss out something? None of the wiki verbatim examples worked for me.

Syntax hyghlighting is implemented in different ways for MkII and MkIV, MkII use TeX code while MkIV use Lua code to show the keywords etc. Hans added only files for TeX, MetaPost and Lua in MkIV but you could write files for more languages, you find the rules in the verb-*.lua files. Regards, Wolfgang

Chen Shen

9:44 p.m.

New subject: Listings (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

Hi, Thanks for the pointers. It seems that the syntax-highlighter only need supply "function buffers.visualizers.mp.flush_line_()", which returns a buffer containing the typesetting commands. Will try playing with it. At the moment, I am looking for the feature with \setuptyping[option=commands]. I saw "\mksetupcommandsintype" defined, and "buffers.visualizers.enableescape = true" set in core-ver.mkiv, but it isn't handled in the default visualizer. ------------------- \starttext \setuptyping[option=commands] \starttyping abc <<abc>> <> /BTEX{\sl abc}/ETEX \stoptyping \stoptext ------------------- regards, shenchen On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 30.09.2008 um 18:37 schrieb Chen Shen:

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Hi Wolfgang,

I guess you are referring to mkii features. It seems that formatting in verbatim doesn't work in mkiv yet, or did I miss out something? None of the wiki verbatim examples worked for me.

Syntax hyghlighting is implemented in different ways for MkII and MkIV, MkII use TeX code while MkIV use Lua code to show the keywords etc.

Hans added only files for TeX, MetaPost and Lua in MkIV but you could write files for more languages, you find the rules in the verb-*.lua files.

Regards, Wolfgang

___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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Chen Shen

2 Oct 2 Oct

11:38 a.m.

New subject: Listings (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

Hi all, Here is a simplistic C syntax highlighter. I hope I've extracted comments/strings/numerics (more or less) correctly. shenchen On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Chen Shen wrote:

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Hi,

Thanks for the pointers. It seems that the syntax-highlighter only need supply "function buffers.visualizers.mp.flush_line_()", which returns a buffer containing the typesetting commands. Will try playing with it.

At the moment, I am looking for the feature with \setuptyping[option=commands]. I saw "\mksetupcommandsintype" defined, and "buffers.visualizers.enableescape = true" set in core-ver.mkiv, but it isn't handled in the default visualizer.

------------------- \starttext \setuptyping[option=commands] \starttyping abc <<abc>> <> /BTEX{\sl abc}/ETEX \stoptyping \stoptext -------------------

regards, shenchen

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 1:15 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 30.09.2008 um 18:37 schrieb Chen Shen:

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Hi Wolfgang,

I guess you are referring to mkii features. It seems that formatting in verbatim doesn't work in mkiv yet, or did I miss out something? None of the wiki verbatim examples worked for me.

Syntax hyghlighting is implemented in different ways for MkII and MkIV, MkII use TeX code while MkIV use Lua code to show the keywords etc.

Hans added only files for TeX, MetaPost and Lua in MkIV but you could write files for more languages, you find the rules in the verb-*.lua files.

Regards, Wolfgang

___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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Hans Hagen

30 Sep 30 Sep

2:35 p.m.

New subject: Listings

Chen Shen wrote:

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Hi Wolfgang,

I guess you are referring to mkii features. It seems that formatting in verbatim doesn't work in mkiv yet, or did I miss out something? None of the wiki verbatim examples worked for me.

it's on the todo ... only tex and mp should work ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Mohamed Bana

2 Oct 2 Oct

3:27 p.m.

New subject: Listings

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

...

\setupcolors[state=start]

\definetyping[JAVA][option=JV]

\setuptyping [JAVA] [numbering=line]

\starttext

\startJAVA .... \stopJAVA

\stoptext

or

same preamble as above plus

\definefloat[listing][listings]

\starttext

\placelisting [split] [lst:freeformlogfile] {Log File} {\startJAVA ... \stopJAVA}

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Maybe someone should ask the authors of listings.sty if they're are willing to port it to ConTeXt. Here's the relevant link; http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/listings/

Peter Münster

11:49 p.m.

New subject: Listings

On Thu, Oct 02 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...

Maybe someone should ask the authors of listings.sty if they're are willing to port it to ConTeXt. Here's the relevant link; http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/listings/

I've done that in the old days of MKII: there was too much work because of quite a lot of LaTeX commands and the motivation was not big enough. Now we have MKIV, that gives us a lot more possibilities and the approaches are completely different from those in listings.sty. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/

Mojca Miklavec

3 Oct 3 Oct

7:11 p.m.

New subject: Listings

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 7:49 AM, Peter Münster wrote:

...

On Thu, Oct 02 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
Maybe someone should ask the authors of listings.sty if they're are willing to port it to ConTeXt. Here's the relevant link; http://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/macros/latex/contrib/listings/

I've done that in the old days of MKII: there was too much work because of quite a lot of LaTeX commands and the motivation was not big enough.

Now we have MKIV, that gives us a lot more possibilities and the approaches are completely different from those in listings.sty.

And there is also the vim module. Not quite as effective as built-in highlighting support, but it gives you access to a wide range of programming languages almost for free. Mojca

Mohamed Bana

6 Dec 6 Dec

7:28 p.m.

Hi Aditya, Any news on bib module - t-bib.tex? If enable the colouring in cite commands in macros.tex I get; \setupcite [interaction=start, compress=no,color=darkgreen] Teams and games Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of and were later developed as a subfield of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by and , and later in control systems by , , , , and others Instead of; Teams and games Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of von Neumann and Morgenstern () and were later developed as a sub- field of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by Radner () and Marschak and Radner (), and later in control systems by Witsenhausen (a, ), Ho et al. (), Ho (), and others. Obviously I had to move t-bib.tex from the current directory to even get the it compile. Thanks Mohamed Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

* Bibliography. For a large part, the bib module was very easy. In the end, there were a few glitches with the formatting of the bibliography (too title space between entries) which I had to manually correct. (Look for \help inside the bbl file).

The bbl file sorted authors with multiple entries incorrectly. If I had authors with four publications in a year, say 2000, the came out as 2000d, 2000c, 2000b, 2000a. I wanted 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, and 2000d, so in the end I just edited the bbl file by hand.

There was also problem with maybe year. If I had 2000a and 2000b in the bib file, but only referred to 2000b in the thesis, the year came out as 2000b rather than 2000. For this also, I edited the bbl file by hand.

Overall, ConTeXt made writing the thesis fairly easy. I mean the typesetting part of it. For those who are wondering, ConTeXt does not help with the content of the thesis :-) I would like to thank Hans and Taco for providing ConTeXt and everyone on the mailing list for answering my various questions.

Aditya

Aditya Mahajan

7:50 p.m.

Hi Mohamed, On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...

Hi Aditya,

Any news on bib module - t-bib.tex?

Sorry for not replying to your earlier message.

...

If enable the colouring in cite commands in macros.tex I get;

\setupcite [interaction=start, compress=no,color=darkgreen]

The current bib module does not support changing the color of links. The color=darkgreen was a local change that I did in my copy of t-bib. So, color=darkgreen should just be silently ignored. However, compress=no does affect the output of the \cite command but I do not understand why it changes things like like Aumann and Hart (...) instead of (Aumann and Hard, ... ). Can you try to create a minimal example just using the bib module specific setups? Aditya

...

Teams and games Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of and were later developed as a subfield of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by and , and later in control systems by , , , , and others

Instead of;

Teams and games Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of von Neumann and Morgenstern () and were later developed as a sub- field of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by Radner () and Marschak and Radner (), and later in control systems by Witsenhausen (a, ), Ho et al. (), Ho (), and others.

Obviously I had to move t-bib.tex from the current directory to even get the it compile.

Thanks Mohamed

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...
* Bibliography. For a large part, the bib module was very easy. In the end, there were a few glitches with the formatting of the bibliography (too title space between entries) which I had to manually correct. (Look for \help inside the bbl file).

The bbl file sorted authors with multiple entries incorrectly. If I had authors with four publications in a year, say 2000, the came out as 2000d, 2000c, 2000b, 2000a. I wanted 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, and 2000d, so in the end I just edited the bbl file by hand.

There was also problem with maybe year. If I had 2000a and 2000b in the bib file, but only referred to 2000b in the thesis, the year came out as 2000b rather than 2000. For this also, I edited the bbl file by hand.

Overall, ConTeXt made writing the thesis fairly easy. I mean the typesetting part of it. For those who are wondering, ConTeXt does not help with the content of the thesis :-) I would like to thank Hans and Taco for providing ConTeXt and everyone on the mailing list for answering my various questions.

Aditya

Mohamed Bana

8 Dec 8 Dec

4:19 p.m.

Hi Aditya, Thanks for getting back to me. I did a fresh checkout and tried to compile, I uncommented out these lines from the beginning of macros.tex. L3 \setupcolors[state=start] ... L16 \setupcite [interaction=start, compress=no,color=] %darkgreen] L276-278 in env-thesis.tex \setupinteraction[state=start,style=,color=] \setupinteraction[focus=standard] It's still the same; Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of and were later developed as a subfield of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by and , and later in control systems by , , , , and others. Version: ConTeXt ver: 2008.11.30 14:39 MKIV fmt: 2008.12.1 int: english/english And have you seen this error; ! LuaTeX error ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: attempt to call field 'process' (a nil value) stack traceback: ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: in function 'process' ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:125: in function 'process' <main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk. \mkloadsortedlist ...xlua {joblists.process('#1')} \getvalue {\s!reset #1}\eg... \doplacelistofsynonyms ... ]\mkloadsortedlist {#1} \endgroup \ifutilitydone \... l.162 \placelistofabbreviations Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

Hi Mohamed,

On Sun, 7 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
Hi Aditya,

Any news on bib module - t-bib.tex?

Sorry for not replying to your earlier message.

...
If enable the colouring in cite commands in macros.tex I get;

\setupcite [interaction=start, compress=no,color=darkgreen]

The current bib module does not support changing the color of links. The color=darkgreen was a local change that I did in my copy of t-bib. So, color=darkgreen should just be silently ignored. However, compress=no does affect the output of the \cite command but I do not understand why it changes things like like Aumann and Hart (...) instead of (Aumann and Hard, ... ).

Can you try to create a minimal example just using the bib module specific setups?

Aditya

...
Teams and games Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of and were later developed as a subfield of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by and , and later in control systems by , , , , and others

Instead of;

Teams and games Multi-agent systems can be classified as teams and games on the basis of the ob- jective of the agents. In teams all agents have the same objective; in games, each agent has its own objective. Historically, games were first studied in the seminal work of von Neumann and Morgenstern () and were later developed as a sub- field of mathematical economics called game theory (Aumann and Hart, , , ). Teams were first studied in mathematical economics by Radner () and Marschak and Radner (), and later in control systems by Witsenhausen (a, ), Ho et al. (), Ho (), and others.

Obviously I had to move t-bib.tex from the current directory to even get the it compile.

Thanks Mohamed

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...
* Bibliography. For a large part, the bib module was very easy. In the end, there were a few glitches with the formatting of the bibliography (too title space between entries) which I had to manually correct. (Look for \help inside the bbl file).

The bbl file sorted authors with multiple entries incorrectly. If I had authors with four publications in a year, say 2000, the came out as 2000d, 2000c, 2000b, 2000a. I wanted 2000a, 2000b, 2000c, and 2000d, so in the end I just edited the bbl file by hand.

There was also problem with maybe year. If I had 2000a and 2000b in the bib file, but only referred to 2000b in the thesis, the year came out as 2000b rather than 2000. For this also, I edited the bbl file by hand.

Overall, ConTeXt made writing the thesis fairly easy. I mean the typesetting part of it. For those who are wondering, ConTeXt does not help with the content of the thesis :-) I would like to thank Hans and Taco for providing ConTeXt and everyone on the mailing list for answering my various questions.

Aditya

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Aditya Mahajan

5:40 p.m.

Hi Mohamed, On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...

Hi Aditya,

Thanks for getting back to me.

I did a fresh checkout and tried to compile, I uncommented out these lines from the beginning of macros.tex.

L3 \setupcolors[state=start] ... L16 \setupcite [interaction=start, compress=no,color=] %darkgreen]

L276-278 in env-thesis.tex

\setupinteraction[state=start,style=,color=] \setupinteraction[focus=standard]

It's still the same;

I followed the same steps. Downloaded the files from http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.tar.gz unzipped them, removed t-bib.tex from the current directory, made the changes indicated by you above, and did "context thesis". Everything compiles files (there is one warning about Delicious-Bold.otf).

...

Version:

ConTeXt ver: 2008.11.30 14:39 MKIV fmt: 2008.12.1 int: english/english

And have you seen this error;

! LuaTeX error ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: attempt to call field 'process' (a nil value) stack traceback: ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: in function 'process' ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:125: in function 'process' <main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk. \mkloadsortedlist ...xlua {joblists.process('#1')} \getvalue {\s!reset #1}\eg... \doplacelistofsynonyms ... ]\mkloadsortedlist {#1} \endgroup \ifutilitydone \... l.162 \placelistofabbreviations

An error like this usually means that luatex or mtxrun is old. I am using context version version: 2008.11.10 21:40 (hmmm... that is after a fresh update from the minimals, which is strange) and LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.31.0-2008120715. I do not know if something broke in a newer version of context, but for that I will first need to figure out why my minimals are not being updated. Since I was at it, I redid the local change in t-bib so that I can have citations of different colors. Also changed a few other macros, to work well with colors (I had stopped playing with colors a while back ...). I am uploading the changed files and the typeset pdf file at http://pantheon.yale.edu/~am894/temp/ Try to download and compile this and see if it works. In the mean time I will investigate why minimals aren't being updated on my machine. Aditya

Aditya Mahajan

6:22 p.m.

New subject: Sorting bug in context-alpha (was: Experience on writing a thesis with MKIV)

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

Try to download and compile this and see if it works. In the mean time I will investigate why minimals aren't being updated on my machine.

Context minimals are fine. I did not notice before that context-beta was last updated on 2008.11.10. That is almost a month!!! I updated to the latest alpha and there is a bug. If I comment \placeabbreviations in frontmatter.tex, then the entire document compiles fine.

...

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

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ConTeXt ver: 2008.11.30 14:39 MKIV fmt: 2008.12.1 int: english/english

And have you seen this error;

! LuaTeX error ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: attempt to call field 'process' (a nil value) stack traceback: ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: in function 'process' ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:125: in function 'process' <main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk. \mkloadsortedlist ...xlua {joblists.process('#1')} \getvalue {\s!reset #1}\eg... \doplacelistofsynonyms ... ]\mkloadsortedlist {#1} \endgroup \ifutilitydone \... l.162 \placelistofabbreviations

Hans, there is a bug in the sorting code. Minimal example: %==================================== \abbreviation {ABC} {Alpha Beta Company} \starttext \placelistofabbreviations We use \abc. \stoptext %===================================== context version: 2008.12.01 10:25 LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.31.0-2008120715, build unknown This gives the error that Mohamed reported above. Aditya

Mohamed Bana

7:59 p.m.

No the citations aren't working. Am I the only one who thinks ConTeXt needs a extensive set of regression tests? Adiyta, you shouldn't have hard-coded: ./frontmatter.tex:\startcolor[darkred]\titlefont \hskip 1.5em Chapters \stopcolor} Changing L191 env-thesis.tex, has no effect, such as: \setuplist [chapter][color=darkblue] \setuplist [Title] [color=darkblue] "Chapters" still comes out as darkred. Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

Hi Mohamed,

On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
Hi Aditya,

Thanks for getting back to me.

I did a fresh checkout and tried to compile, I uncommented out these lines from the beginning of macros.tex.

L3 \setupcolors[state=start] ... L16 \setupcite [interaction=start, compress=no,color=] %darkgreen]

L276-278 in env-thesis.tex

\setupinteraction[state=start,style=,color=] \setupinteraction[focus=standard]

It's still the same;

I followed the same steps. Downloaded the files from http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam/publications/thesis/thesis.tar.gz

unzipped them, removed t-bib.tex from the current directory, made the changes indicated by you above, and did "context thesis". Everything compiles files (there is one warning about Delicious-Bold.otf).

...
Version:

ConTeXt ver: 2008.11.30 14:39 MKIV fmt: 2008.12.1 int: english/english

And have you seen this error;

! LuaTeX error ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: attempt to call field 'process' (a nil value) stack traceback: ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:71: in function 'process' ...nimals/tex/texmf-local/tex/context/base/core-syn.lua:125: in function 'process' <main ctx instance>:1: in main chunk. \mkloadsortedlist ...xlua {joblists.process('#1')} \getvalue {\s!reset #1}\eg... \doplacelistofsynonyms ... ]\mkloadsortedlist {#1} \endgroup \ifutilitydone \... l.162 \placelistofabbreviations

An error like this usually means that luatex or mtxrun is old.

I am using context version version: 2008.11.10 21:40 (hmmm... that is after a fresh update from the minimals, which is strange) and LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.31.0-2008120715.

I do not know if something broke in a newer version of context, but for that I will first need to figure out why my minimals are not being updated.

Since I was at it, I redid the local change in t-bib so that I can have citations of different colors. Also changed a few other macros, to work well with colors (I had stopped playing with colors a while back ...). I am uploading the changed files and the typeset pdf file at

http://pantheon.yale.edu/~am894/temp/

Try to download and compile this and see if it works. In the mean time I will investigate why minimals aren't being updated on my machine.

Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________

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Aditya Mahajan

8:26 p.m.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...

No the citations aren't working.

This is really strange. It is working at my end with the latest version of t-bib. Can you send me your log and pdf file.

...

Am I the only one who thinks ConTeXt needs a extensive set of regression tests?

No. We have discussed this extensively in the past. There is also a context-test svn repository with a script that can automatically check if the pdf output changed with different version. However, it has been dormat for about a year now. For more info see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Test and add more tests.

...

Adiyta, you shouldn't have hard-coded:

./frontmatter.tex:\startcolor[darkred]\titlefont \hskip 1.5em Chapters \stopcolor}

Yeah, I know. This was just a quick change, so I did not bother with elegance. The "proper" way of doing it would be to define a titlecolor and use that.

...

Changing L191 env-thesis.tex, has no effect, such as:

\setuplist [chapter][color=darkblue] \setuplist [Title] [color=darkblue]

"Chapters" still comes out as darkred.

Aditya

Mohamed Bana

9 Dec 9 Dec

11:17 a.m.

sorry about the late reply, my minimals broke so i had to wait for a fix. t-bib-2008.12.01.zip $ luatex --version This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.3-2008112812, build unknown .... $ context --version MtxRun | main context file: /home/mbana/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40 http://filebin.ca/jqqekq/thesis.pdf or http://filebin.ca/jqqekq http://filebin.ca/uhvgex/thesis.log or http://filebin.ca/uhvgex Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
No the citations aren't working.

This is really strange. It is working at my end with the latest version of t-bib. Can you send me your log and pdf file.

...
Am I the only one who thinks ConTeXt needs a extensive set of regression tests?

No. We have discussed this extensively in the past. There is also a context-test svn repository with a script that can automatically check if the pdf output changed with different version. However, it has been dormat for about a year now. For more info see

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Test

and add more tests.

...
Adiyta, you shouldn't have hard-coded:

./frontmatter.tex:\startcolor[darkred]\titlefont \hskip 1.5em Chapters \stopcolor}

Yeah, I know. This was just a quick change, so I did not bother with elegance. The "proper" way of doing it would be to define a titlecolor and use that.

...
Changing L191 env-thesis.tex, has no effect, such as:

\setuplist [chapter][color=darkblue] \setuplist [Title] [color=darkblue]

"Chapters" still comes out as darkred.

Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________

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Aditya Mahajan

12:36 p.m.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...

sorry about the late reply, my minimals broke so i had to wait for a fix.

t-bib-2008.12.01.zip

$ luatex --version This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.3-2008112812, build unknown .... $ context --version MtxRun | main context file: /home/mbana/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40

http://filebin.ca/jqqekq/thesis.pdf or http://filebin.ca/jqqekq http://filebin.ca/uhvgex/thesis.log or http://filebin.ca/uhvgex

How are you compiling your files? Use "context thesis" and not "texexec --lua thesis" (texexec will run bibtex which will overwrite the existing bbl file, since you do not have any bib file, the bbl file will be empty). If you are running "context thesis" what happens when your rerun context three times (normally, context should do this on its own, but just to make sure). If none of these help, can you zip all the files and upload them. Aditya

Taco Hoekwater

2:23 p.m.

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
sorry about the late reply, my minimals broke so i had to wait for a fix.

t-bib-2008.12.01.zip

$ luatex --version This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.3-2008112812, build unknown .... $ context --version MtxRun | main context file: /home/mbana/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex

MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40

http://filebin.ca/jqqekq/thesis.pdf or http://filebin.ca/jqqekq http://filebin.ca/uhvgex/thesis.log or http://filebin.ca/uhvgex

How are you compiling your files? Use "context thesis" and not "texexec --lua thesis" (texexec will run bibtex which will overwrite the existing bbl file, since you do not have any bib file, the bbl file will be empty).

Please note that my latest upload to modules.contextgarden runs bibtex itself, in mkiv mode. Taco

Aditya Mahajan

2:49 p.m.

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

...

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
sorry about the late reply, my minimals broke so i had to wait for a fix.

t-bib-2008.12.01.zip

$ luatex --version This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.3-2008112812, build unknown .... $ context --version MtxRun | main context file: /home/mbana/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40

http://filebin.ca/jqqekq/thesis.pdf or http://filebin.ca/jqqekq http://filebin.ca/uhvgex/thesis.log or http://filebin.ca/uhvgex

How are you compiling your files? Use "context thesis" and not "texexec --lua thesis" (texexec will run bibtex which will overwrite the existing bbl file, since you do not have any bib file, the bbl file will be empty).

Please note that my latest upload to modules.contextgarden runs bibtex itself, in mkiv mode.

Ah, so that explains why Mohamed is not getting any citations. I was using "latest" minimals from yesterday which still have t-bib from 2008.10.27. Taco, I also have a feature request for the bib module. Currently, \setupcite is defined as \def\dosetupcite[#1][#2]% {\ifsecondargument \def\dodosetupcite##1{\getparameters[\??pv##1][#2]}% \processcommalist[#1]\dodosetupcite \else % default case \getparameters[\??pv\@@citedefault][#1]% \fi } This means that if I say \setupcite[compress=no], this option is only passed to the default cite command. This means that when interaction is enabled, (and the bibl-* file says compress=yes), we get no styles for other cite styles. Does it make sense to add a keyword "all" so that \setupcite[all][...] is equal to \setupcite [author,authoryear,authoryears, year,serial,authornum,page,short,type,doi,url,num] [...] Also, can we add style and color options to \cite. These can be either passed to \setupinteraction in \docite or simply added using attributes in the output of \cite. Mohamed, to get the references to work comment \setupbibtex [database={IEEEfull,../collection}, sort=author] in macros.tex and add \dousepublications[thesis] You can also use the official way: \usepublications[thesis], but I think that this will cause warnings about redefined labels. Perhaps a better way would be to change thesis.bbl to say thesis-ref.bbl and then use \usepublications[thesis-ref]. Aditya

Taco Hoekwater

10 Dec 10 Dec

2:24 a.m.

Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

Does is make sense to add a keyword "all" so that

\setupcite[all][...] is equal to \setupcite [author,authoryear,authoryears, year,serial,authornum,page,short,type,doi,url,num] [...]

Also, can we add style and color options to \cite. These can be either passed to \setupinteraction in \docite or simply added using attributes in the output of \cite.

I certainly don't mind, but I am deep into other stuff right now. If you have a patch, I can apply that at any time you want. Otherwise, it will be January before I revisit the bib code. Best wishes, Taco

Mohamed Bana

7:20 p.m.

This is very strange, I did a fresh checkout and everything *just* worked. $ luatex --version This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.3-2008112812, build unknown ... $ context --version MtxRun | main context file: /home/mbana/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40 Hopefully this will be my last question; how do you compile individual chapters? Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...

On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

...
Aditya Mahajan wrote:

...
On Tue, 9 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...
sorry about the late reply, my minimals broke so i had to wait for a fix.

t-bib-2008.12.01.zip

$ luatex --version This is LuaTeX, Version snapshot-0.30.3-2008112812, build unknown .... $ context --version MtxRun | main context file: /home/mbana/context-minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40

http://filebin.ca/jqqekq/thesis.pdf or http://filebin.ca/jqqekq http://filebin.ca/uhvgex/thesis.log or http://filebin.ca/uhvgex

How are you compiling your files? Use "context thesis" and not "texexec --lua thesis" (texexec will run bibtex which will overwrite the existing bbl file, since you do not have any bib file, the bbl file will be empty).

Please note that my latest upload to modules.contextgarden runs bibtex itself, in mkiv mode.

Ah, so that explains why Mohamed is not getting any citations. I was using "latest" minimals from yesterday which still have t-bib from 2008.10.27.

Taco, I also have a feature request for the bib module. Currently, \setupcite is defined as

\def\dosetupcite[#1][#2]% {\ifsecondargument \def\dodosetupcite##1{\getparameters[\??pv##1][#2]}% \processcommalist[#1]\dodosetupcite \else % default case \getparameters[\??pv\@@citedefault][#1]% \fi }

This means that if I say

\setupcite[compress=no], this option is only passed to the default cite command. This means that when interaction is enabled, (and the bibl-* file says compress=yes), we get no styles for other cite styles. Does it make sense to add a keyword "all" so that

\setupcite[all][...] is equal to \setupcite [author,authoryear,authoryears, year,serial,authornum,page,short,type,doi,url,num] [...]

Also, can we add style and color options to \cite. These can be either passed to \setupinteraction in \docite or simply added using attributes in the output of \cite.

Mohamed, to get the references to work comment

\setupbibtex [database={IEEEfull,../collection}, sort=author]

in macros.tex and add

\dousepublications[thesis]

You can also use the official way: \usepublications[thesis], but I think that this will cause warnings about redefined labels. Perhaps a better way would be to change thesis.bbl to say thesis-ref.bbl and then use \usepublications[thesis-ref].

Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________

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Aditya Mahajan

8:17 p.m.

On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Mohamed Bana wrote:

...

This is very strange, I did a fresh checkout and everything *just* worked.

Great. Because I had no idea why it was not working at your end :-)

...

Hopefully this will be my last question; how do you compile individual chapters?

...

From top directory

context chapters/chapter-01.tex

...

From the chapters directory

context chapter-01.tex Aditya

Mohamed Bana

14 Dec 14 Dec

8:52 p.m.

Hi Aditya Are you aware of this using \setupindenting [big,yes] in L 263 env-thesis.tex instead of the default; \setupindenting [medium,yes] results in 'Chapters' in the TOC being indented slightly more than References, Abstract etc. give it a try, you'll notice that it protrudes slightly more than the other entries.

Mojca Miklavec

9 Dec 9 Dec

7:18 a.m.

On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:59 AM, Mohamed Bana wrote:

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No the citations aren't working.

Am I the only one who thinks ConTeXt needs a extensive set of regression tests?

No, you aren't. But you could be the first one to start worknig on it :) :) :) Mojca

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