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Taco Hoekwater

27 Sep 2005 27 Sep '05

3:02 p.m.

Hi, I have prepared a beta release of the bibliography module, and uploaded it as http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta-20050927.zip Because it is only a beta, I have not fixed the documentation yet. The differences between this version and the one in the ConTeXt distribution are outlined below. I know that the wishlist is quite long, and there are even still bugs I have not looked into, but I have to release *something* otherwise nothing will ever happen. Somehow I never seem to get around to working on the module. :-( Comments (and testfiles) are welcome, and feel free to update the wishlist on the wiki : http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Taco/Bib Happy TeXing, Taco ============================================== Bugfixes: * The extra spaces in the output of authors and editors inside the publication list should be gone. * \newbibfield now works as advertised * It is possible to use context commands with the same name as a bib fieldname inside the arguments of the fields. This now compiles correctly: \startpublication[k=garden,t=misc,a={Wiki people}] \thekey{Wiki people} \title{The \type{\ConTeXt} garden} \note{See also \useurl[pedia]{http://wikipedia.com}\url[pedia]} \url{http://wiki.contextgarden.net} \stoppublication New features: * Two new styles are now part of the distribution: bibl-apa-de.tex and bibl-ssa.tex * \cite now accepts \setupcite arguments in the optional argument, so you can do stuff like \cite[right={, chapter 5)}][key] The commands \cite[alternative=author][key] and \cite[author][key] are equivalent * The bibtex fields URL and LASTCHECKED have been added to the bst files. * Two new \setupcite arguments 'andtext' and 'otherstext' have been added, and the language-dependancy of the bst files has been removed. * There is a new type of \citation: \cite[url][key] It does not do any kind of interaction, if you want that you have to wrap the \cite in another command. Internally, this uses the new 'u=' argument to \startpublication. * Also, \cite[doi][key] now actually does generate the doi in the text (this uses the 'o=' argument to \startpublication) * Finally, you can get selected data bits from a publication by using \getcitedata [url] [garden] to \gardenlink (in this case, \gardenlink will be \def-ed to the value of the \url{..} field in the bib item with label 'garden'). Discontinued: * I have removed t-bibltx.tex. All it did was define the \newcommand command, and you are better off using the new latex emulation module for that. * I dropped support for the INSTITUTE field in bibtex (it was never actually used anyway)

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Thomas A.Schmitz

28 Sep 28 Sep

10:46 p.m.

Taco, just so you don't think nobody is interested in your new beta: I dlded it today and played with it, but had to revert to the old version because it somehow did not honor the modifications I made to \setuppublicationlayout (I was getting some default instead of my own version, and there were spurious periods and colons in all the entries). I will test it again within the next few days. By the way: I spent one hour last weekend and, by judiciously sprinkling some \unskip's in my definitions, had gotten rid of the extra spaces. I actually wanted to write to you about it this week... Meanwhile, the one thing that I find really disturbing is the messed up vertical spacing. I'm doing my first real-life book project with Context and your bib module. It won't be finished before sometime next year, but expect me to come knockin' on your door often. My bibliography is long (371 items), but fairly regular, so I think everything else is working just fine, but I can't give a pdf to the publisher where the lines are so irregular. Any chance of you looking into that soon? But first: thanks so much for providing the module and working on it! Best Thomas On Sep 27, 2005, at 3:02 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Hi,

I have prepared a beta release of the bibliography module, and uploaded it as

http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta-20050927.zip

Because it is only a beta, I have not fixed the documentation yet. The differences between this version and the one in the ConTeXt distribution are outlined below.

I know that the wishlist is quite long, and there are even still bugs I have not looked into, but I have to release *something* otherwise nothing will ever happen. Somehow I never seem to get around to working on the module. :-(

Comments (and testfiles) are welcome, and feel free to update the wishlist on the wiki :

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/User:Taco/Bib

Happy TeXing, Taco ==============================================

Bugfixes:

* The extra spaces in the output of authors and editors inside the publication list should be gone.

* \newbibfield now works as advertised

* It is possible to use context commands with the same name as a bib fieldname inside the arguments of the fields. This now compiles correctly:

\startpublication[k=garden,t=misc,a={Wiki people}] \thekey{Wiki people} \title{The \type{\ConTeXt} garden} \note{See also \useurl[pedia]{http://wikipedia.com}\url[pedia]} \url{http://wiki.contextgarden.net} \stoppublication

New features:

* Two new styles are now part of the distribution: bibl-apa-de.tex and bibl-ssa.tex

* \cite now accepts \setupcite arguments in the optional argument, so you can do stuff like

\cite[right={, chapter 5)}][key]

The commands \cite[alternative=author][key] and \cite[author][key] are equivalent

* The bibtex fields URL and LASTCHECKED have been added to the bst files.

* Two new \setupcite arguments 'andtext' and 'otherstext' have been added, and the language-dependancy of the bst files has been removed.

* There is a new type of \citation:

\cite[url][key]

It does not do any kind of interaction, if you want that you have to wrap the \cite in another command. Internally, this uses the new 'u=' argument to \startpublication.

* Also, \cite[doi][key] now actually does generate the doi in the text (this uses the 'o=' argument to \startpublication)

* Finally, you can get selected data bits from a publication by using

\getcitedata [url] [garden] to \gardenlink

(in this case, \gardenlink will be \def-ed to the value of the \url{..} field in the bib item with label 'garden').

Discontinued:

* I have removed t-bibltx.tex. All it did was define the \newcommand command, and you are better off using the new latex emulation module for that.

* I dropped support for the INSTITUTE field in bibtex (it was never actually used anyway)

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Idris Samawi Hamid

10:51 p.m.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:46:32 +0200, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:

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Taco,

just so you don't think nobody is interested in your new beta:

The bib module is crucial for me as well. I've been using an ancient version (the stand-alone version) but I'll be trying out the new one soon, for two issues of my journal (woefully behind schedule). Thank you in advance for all your hard work! Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

Taco Hoekwater

29 Sep 29 Sep

8:57 a.m.

Hi Thomas, Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:

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Taco,

just so you don't think nobody is interested in your new beta: I dlded it today and played with it, but had to revert to the old version because it somehow did not honor the modifications I made to \setuppublicationlayout (I was getting some default instead of my own version, and there were spurious periods and colons in all the entries).

I saw those in my (very small) example file as well, but that is from a database that is known to have flaws so I didn't investigate any further and just assumed that they were caused by broken input. I will check again.

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I will test it again within the next few days. By the way: I spent one hour last weekend and, by judiciously sprinkling some \unskip's in my definitions, had gotten rid of the extra spaces. I actually wanted to write to you about it this week...

Don't you hate it when that happens?

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Meanwhile, the one thing that I find really disturbing is the messed up vertical spacing. I'm doing my first real-life book project with Context and your bib module. It won't be finished before sometime next year, but expect me to come knockin' on your door often. My bibliography is long (371 items), but fairly regular, so I think everything else is working just fine, but I can't give a pdf to the publisher where the lines are so irregular. Any chance of you looking into that soon?

The vertical spacing in my example looks ok, so perhaps it something in your setup that messes it up hard (or something in my setup that masks the problem). Can you send me an excerpt for testing maybe? Cheers, Taco

Thomas A. Schmitz

9:49 a.m.

Hi Taco, disregard most of what I wrote yesterday: most of your new module is working fine, thanks so much! Haven't tested the new features yet, but will very soon. I'm especially thrilled by the \cite[right=] command and hope it works! One major (but probably easy-to-fix) problem is that your wonderfully clear syntax {

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Hi Thomas,

Thomas A.Schmitz wrote:

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Taco, just so you don't think nobody is interested in your new beta: I dlded it today and played with it, but had to revert to the old version because it somehow did not honor the modifications I made to \setuppublicationlayout (I was getting some default instead of my own version, and there were spurious periods and colons in all the entries).

I saw those in my (very small) example file as well, but that is from a database that is known to have flaws so I didn't investigate any further and just assumed that they were caused by broken input. I will check again.

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I will test it again within the next few days. By the way: I spent one hour last weekend and, by judiciously sprinkling some \unskip's in my definitions, had gotten rid of the extra spaces. I actually wanted to write to you about it this week...

Don't you hate it when that happens?

...
Meanwhile, the one thing that I find really disturbing is the messed up vertical spacing. I'm doing my first real-life book project with Context and your bib module. It won't be finished before sometime next year, but expect me to come knockin' on your door often. My bibliography is long (371 items), but fairly regular, so I think everything else is working just fine, but I can't give a pdf to the publisher where the lines are so irregular. Any chance of you looking into that soon?

The vertical spacing in my example looks ok, so perhaps it something in your setup that messes it up hard (or something in my setup that masks the problem). Can you send me an excerpt for testing maybe?

Cheers, Taco

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Taco Hoekwater

4:50 p.m.

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

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Hi Taco,

disregard most of what I wrote yesterday: most of your new module is working fine, thanks so much! Haven't tested the new features yet, but will very soon. I'm especially thrilled by the \cite[right=] command and hope it works!

One major (but probably easy-to-fix) problem is that your wonderfully clear syntax {

I have found this bug, and uploaded a new beta: http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta-20050929.zip The output here looks a whole lot better now.

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One question: in the parsed bbl file, the bibtex field "address" is translated into "city," "publisher" into "pubname," and "year" into "pubyear." Is there a reason for this? I found it a bit confusing because you have a macro \insertpublisher which inserts "city, pubname"; coming from the names in the database, I couldn't figure out what was happening until I looked at the source. Would it be possible to just keep the fieldnames as bibtex has them?

I did this originally to be compatible with the old context publications macros as well as the base tex definition of \year, and I guess it is no longer safe to change the names now. I bit of a mistake, in hindsight. :-(

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As for the vertical spacing problem: depending on the font and the settings for interlinespace, it is more or less visible. To see a really clear case, try setting the interlinespace to something really big like 5ex, then you can see that space within the entries is regular while space between entries is somewhat smaller.

Not over here. with \showgrid on, everything is precisely lined up. That's why I really need an example of what you are doing. Cheers, Taco

Thomas A. Schmitz

30 Sep 30 Sep

9:16 a.m.

Taco, one more question: \completepublications produces a title "References" and formats it according to the chapter-heading, but doesn't write it to the list for the TOC, or am I missing something? Best Thomas

Taco Hoekwater

2:39 p.m.

Hi again, There is a new beta: http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta-20050930.zip with the following changes: Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

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OK, I experimented a bit here, and I think I've narrowed it down: as soon as I set the option numbering=bib in \setuppublications, the distortions becomes really visible. Does the bibmodule calculate its lines with code from the \itemize environment? Could this be where the bug lies?

Found it. It's a buglet in the default \placelist actions. Fixed.

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So I get something like Hoekwater (2005) or Hoekwater [10]. Now what would be great is if it were possible to add a page reference and get something like Hoekwater (2005, 99) or Hoekwater [10, 99]. But if I say \cite[right={, 10}][hoekwater], this will effectively replace what I

I've added \cite[extras={, 10}][hoekwater] (note: the keyword "extras" only works in \cite, not in \setupcite) For the other email:

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one more question: \completepublications produces a title "References" and formats it according to the chapter-heading, but doesn't write it to the list for the TOC, or am I missing something?

\completepublications is just a basic \completelist within a slightly changed environment, so it behaves just like a "normal" ConTeXT list. I'm not sure if it can be made to appear in the TOC, but I am quite confident that \chapter{References} \placepublications will work as desired. Cheers, Taco

Thomas A. Schmitz

4:22 p.m.

Taco, you're my hero!!! On Sep 30, 2005, at 2:39 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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There is a new beta:

http://tex.aanhet.net/bib/m-bib-beta-20050930.zip

with the following changes:

Found it. It's a buglet in the default \placelist actions. Fixed.

Absolutely! Output is perfectly aligned now!

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I've added \cite[extras={, 10}][hoekwater] (note: the keyword "extras" only works in \cite, not in \setupcite)

I hardly dare to tell you, but it's not working here; \cite[extras={, 10}][hoekwater] produces ][99 (and the , 10 is dropped).

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\completepublications is just a basic \completelist within a slightly changed environment, so it behaves just like a "normal" ConTeXT list. I'm not sure if it can be made to appear in the TOC, but I am quite confident that

\chapter{References} \placepublications

will work as desired.

Indeed, this works wonderfully! Thanks so much Taco, I owe you one. Let me know if you ever come to Bonn or Mannheim, and I'll buy you several beers! Best Thomas

Taco Hoekwater

4:41 p.m.

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

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I've added \cite[extras={, 10}][hoekwater] (note: the keyword "extras" only works in \cite, not in \setupcite)

I hardly dare to tell you, but it's not working here; \cite[extras={, 10}][hoekwater] produces ][99 (and the , 10 is dropped).

My bad. You can fix this yourself if you want. Open t-bib.tex in an editor and change lines 839 and 841 so they read: \edef\LOextras{{\LOextras\bibalternative\c!right}}% and \edef\LOextras{{\LOextras\LOright}}% that is: an extra pair of braces is needed inside the \edef. (I'll update the zip file as well)

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Indeed, this works wonderfully!

Thanks so much Taco, I owe you one. Let me know if you ever come to

You're welcome. I am actually quite enjoying myself while doing this stuff. Cheers, Taco

Thomas A. Schmitz

5:24 p.m.

On Sep 30, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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that is: an extra pair of braces is needed inside the \edef.

Hooray, now it works!

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You're welcome. I am actually quite enjoying myself while doing this stuff.

Glad to hear that. I'll buy you a bear nonetheless... Thanks, and best Thomas

Christopher Creutzig

1 Oct 1 Oct

10:04 a.m.

Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

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On Sep 30, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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You're welcome. I am actually quite enjoying myself while doing this stuff.

Glad to hear that. I'll buy you a bear nonetheless...

Taco is running a zoo? ;-} Christopher

Thomas A. Schmitz

10:37 a.m.

Sorry, I meant a beard... no no, wait that was a deer uhmm On Oct 1, 2005, at 10:04 AM, Christopher Creutzig wrote:

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Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

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On Sep 30, 2005, at 4:41 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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You're welcome. I am actually quite enjoying myself while doing this stuff.

Glad to hear that. I'll buy you a bear nonetheless...

Taco is running a zoo? ;-}

Christopher

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