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Bill McClain

25 Nov 2002 25 Nov '02

4:26 p.m.

I recently finished a large project and have added new material to my ConTeXt Help Page at http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html. * Marginal notes. See a sample double-page spread at http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/csky-sample.pdf * X-Y positioning of graphics with layers and overlays. Sample jpeg version of a page at: http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/csky-cover-large.jpg * Using \definestartstop. Example for blockquotes. * Table of contents with different sections. * Dropped caps. * Little things: \index placement, passing variables on the command line, using line numbering. * How to install the FontSite-500 CD font collection for ConTeXt, with an archive of scripts and sample files. * * * I just uploaded all this; please let me know if you see any errors. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/

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Bruce D'Arcus

25 Nov 25 Nov

4:44 p.m.

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 11:26 AM, Bill McClain wrote:

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I recently finished a large project and have added new material to my ConTeXt Help Page at

Let me be the first to say "thanks Bill!" The sample docs are exactly the kind of thing I was looking! Any chance you can provide the source file for the sample pdf? ... Also, regarding the Fontsite CD scripts (thanks for this too!), you mention Christopher League's similar project for LaTeX, and that your's is not as ambitious. One thing that I know some people have run into with these fonts is problems with spacing and kerning. I know that League's project actually corrects some of these problems. Have you done that as well? Or might you make use of some of those tweaks from his project? Or do you have any other suggestions? I have the fonts and the metrics and so forth (from League); the main issue I always run into is the typescript files (though I already have Savoy working correctly under ConTeXt; will probably tackle Bergamo next). I'd prefer to have the fonts useful both in LaTeX and ConTeXt... Bruce

Bill McClain

6:48 p.m.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:44:34 -0500 "Bruce D'Arcus" wrote:

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The sample docs are exactly the kind of thing I was looking! Any chance you can provide the source file for the sample pdf? ...

Anyone who wants to see sources, contact me directly and specify what example you need. This is from a book-length project, so I really ought to make smaller examples.

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Also, regarding the Fontsite CD scripts (thanks for this too!), you mention Christopher League's similar project for LaTeX, and that your's is not as ambitious. One thing that I know some people have run into with these fonts is problems with spacing and kerning. I know that League's project actually corrects some of these problems.

Have you done that as well? Or might you make use of some of those tweaks from his project? Or do you have any other suggestions?

No, I haven't done anything further, or even sampled most of the fonts other than looking at single lines. I believe that correcting kerning, etc, means getting into "fontinst," which I know nothing about. And doesn't it require LaTeX? of which I am also ignorant. I can imagine more logical TeX font tools, but (a) don't want to reinvent the wheel, (b) don't have time anyway. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/

Bruce D'Arcus

7:06 p.m.

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 01:48 PM, Bill McClain wrote:

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On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:44:34 -0500 "Bruce D'Arcus" wrote:

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The sample docs are exactly the kind of thing I was looking! Any chance you can provide the source file for the sample pdf? ...

Anyone who wants to see sources, contact me directly and specify what example you need. This is from a book-length project, so I really ought to make smaller examples.

OK, fair enough. I asked simply because I often learn better with a complete workable source file than individual pieces of code. Will contact you though if there's some problem I run into...

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Also, regarding the Fontsite CD scripts (thanks for this too!), you mention Christopher League's similar project for LaTeX, and that your's is not as ambitious. One thing that I know some people have run into with these fonts is problems with spacing and kerning. I know that League's project actually corrects some of these problems.

Have you done that as well? Or might you make use of some of those tweaks from his project? Or do you have any other suggestions?

No, I haven't done anything further, or even sampled most of the fonts other than looking at single lines. I believe that correcting kerning, etc, means getting into "fontinst," which I know nothing about. And doesn't it require LaTeX? of which I am also ignorant.

Well, one thing to consider which might be both simple and get you the benefits of Christopher's substantial work is a script that takes his .tfm, .vf and .map files (which he makes available) and simply packages them for use in ConTeXt. All that's needed are the typescripts, right? For those that don't know about this, it -- along with a sample PDF that shows all of the fonts -- are available at: http://contrapunctus.net/league/haques/fs500tex/ From my perspective, the most useful fonts in the package for TeX purposes are: Savoy Bergamo Syntax and a few others... Bruce

Bill McClain

8:05 p.m.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:06:08 -0500 "Bruce D'Arcus" wrote:

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Well, one thing to consider which might be both simple and get you the benefits of Christopher's substantial work is a script that takes his .tfm, .vf and .map files (which he makes available) and simply packages them for use in ConTeXt. All that's needed are the typescripts, right?

That's an idea. If the typescripts referenced his tfm file names then I think it would work. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/

Jens-Uwe Morawski

8:39 p.m.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 11:44:34 -0500 "Bruce D'Arcus" wrote:

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Also, regarding the Fontsite CD scripts (thanks for this too!), you mention Christopher League's similar project for LaTeX, and that your's is not as ambitious. [...] I have the fonts and the metrics and so forth (from League); the main issue I always run into is the typescript files. I'd prefer to have the fonts useful both in LaTeX and ConTeXt...

Then the question is not to do the same for ConTeXt but to make the LaTeX font installation available in ConTeXt as well. The only thing that is specific to LaTeX are the .fd files. The only thing that is specific to ConTeXt are the typescripts. Thus, simply make typescripts from the .fd files. The only important .fd file of an LaTeX font installation is the t1XXX.fd, here XXX is the LaTeX font family. (example is the luximono fonts) if you look in that file (t1ul9.fd) you will find something like \DeclareFontShape{T1}{ul9}{m}{n}{<-> ul9r8t}{} this is for a ConTeXt typescript \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono][ul9r8t] [encoding=ec] the bold variant is \DeclareFontShape{T1}{ul9}{b}{n}{<-> ul9b8t}{} \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-Bold][ul9b8t] [encoding=ec] and so on... If you have translated all .fd entries for the typescript then it loks like \starttypescript [mono] [LuxiMono] [ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono] [ul9r8t] [encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-SmallCaps] [ul9r8t] [encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-Slanted] [ul9ro8t][encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-Italic] [ul9ro8t][encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-Bold] [ul9b8t] [encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-BoldSmallCaps][ul9b8t] [encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-BoldSlanted] [ul9bo8t][encoding=ec] \definefontsynonym [LuxiMono-BoldItalic] [ul9bo8t][encoding=ec] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [mono] [LuxiMono] [name] \definefontsynonym [Mono] [LuxiMono] \definefontsynonym [MonoCaps] [LuxiMono-SmallCaps] \definefontsynonym [MonoSlanted] [LuxiMono-Slanted] \definefontsynonym [MonoItalic] [LuxiMono-Italic] \definefontsynonym [MonoBold] [LuxiMono-Bold] \definefontsynonym [MonoBoldCaps] [LuxiMono-BoldSmallCaps] \definefontsynonym [MonoBoldSlanted][LuxiMono-BoldSlanted] \stoptypescript so, if you have access to fonts in LaTeX then take its t1XXX.fd file, translate all entries to a ConTeXt typescript... voila! There is no need that anybody provides an extra full set of TeX font files (vf,tfm) esp. for ConTeXt. Jens

Bill McClain

8:54 p.m.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:39:15 +0100 Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

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\definefontsynonym [MonoBoldCaps] [LuxiMono-BoldSmallCaps]

Are Bold Small Caps supported in ConTeXt? I can't see it in the source. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/

Bruce D'Arcus

8:56 p.m.

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 03:54 PM, Bill McClain wrote:

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Jens-Uwe Morawski wrote:

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\definefontsynonym [MonoBoldCaps] [LuxiMono-BoldSmallCaps]

Are Bold Small Caps supported in ConTeXt? I can't see it in the source.

I'm curious about this as well. I never got around to finding time to figure out how to get my small cap bold and/or italic fonts to work! Bruce

Hans Hagen

4:46 p.m.

At 10:26 AM 11/25/2002 -0600, you wrote: nice!

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* How to install the FontSite-500 CD font collection for ConTeXt, with an archive of scripts and sample files.

Looks interesting (currently downloading the pdf), how complete are those font sets? Regular/Bold/Italic/SmallCaps? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE | pragma@wxs.nl Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: +31 (0)38 477 53 69 | fax: +31 (0)38 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- information: http://www.pragma-ade.com/roadmap.pdf documentation: http://www.pragma-ade.com/showcase.pdf -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bruce D'Arcus

4:56 p.m.

On Monday, November 25, 2002, at 11:46 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Looks interesting (currently downloading the pdf), how complete are those font sets? Regular/Bold/Italic/SmallCaps?

Some of them are very complete, and quite nice. Take a look in particular at Savoy (aka Sabon) and Bergamo (aka, um, Bembo). They each include smallcaps, old-style figures, bold and italic, etc. -- Dr. Bruce D'Arcus Miami University Geography Department 216 Shideler Hall Oxford, OH 45056

Bill McClain

6:56 p.m.

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:46:30 +0100 Hans Hagen wrote:

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* How to install the FontSite-500 CD font collection for ConTeXt, with an archive of scripts and sample files.

Looks interesting (currently downloading the pdf), how complete are those font sets? Regular/Bold/Italic/SmallCaps?

As Bruce says, it varies. There are some pretty complete families, as can be seen in the pdf catalogs. (I believe the LaTeX installation does not include all the fonts yet. Mine does, but just takes them as texfont gives them). There were complaints on comp.text.tex about poor quality (in some cases) of specific fonts. I bought the collection to have access to more titling fonts, as for book covers and advertising. Fonts that are appropriate for body text are too light for titles. I will experiment with the book face fonts in the collection, but unless they really excellent I'll probably buy a licensed version from a font vendor before using it in a real project. Even if so, it is good to have a cheap collection for light duty use, mockups, etc. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/

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