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Marco Patzer

10 Feb 2019 10 Feb '19

2 p.m.

Hi! I'm wondering about the state of the reference manual contextref.pdf. The wiki states “ConTeXt reference manual. This is the most comprehensive and up-to-date general manual[…]” Date: September 27, 2013 There used to be SVN access on foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextman, but apparently it's permanently down. Where is the manual hosted at the moment? The wiki still points to foundry.supelec.fr: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals Some years ago there was a discussion about moving it to github. But I doubt that has ever taken place. Marco

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Hans Hagen

10 Feb 10 Feb

5:43 p.m.

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Hi!

I'm wondering about the state of the reference manual contextref.pdf. The wiki states

“ConTeXt reference manual. This is the most comprehensive and up-to-date general manual[…]” Date: September 27, 2013

There used to be SVN access on foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextman, but apparently it's permanently down. Where is the manual hosted at the moment? The wiki still points to foundry.supelec.fr:

https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals

Some years ago there was a discussion about moving it to github. But I doubt that has ever taken place.

On 2/10/2019 2:00 PM, Marco Patzer wrote: that effort was changed in cooking up smaller independent manuals ... that ref manual still applies to much (encodings and fonts have changed of course) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Marco Patzer

8:13 p.m.

On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 17:43:09 +0100 Hans Hagen wrote:

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that effort was changed in cooking up smaller independent manuals ...

Which I personally like. It provides more in depth knowledge.

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that ref manual still applies to much (encodings and fonts have changed of course)

I know about the state of the manual. The question is, if it's frozen and abandoned and the source repo closed down or if it has moved elsewhere. But as it seems it's no longer updated. The wiki should reflect that, at least the old repo information (foundry.supelec.fr) should go. The manual can stay. But before removing the info on the wiki someone needs to confirm there's no repo any longer. Marco

Hans Hagen

11 Feb 11 Feb

7:43 a.m.

On 2/10/2019 8:13 PM, Marco Patzer wrote:

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On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 17:43:09 +0100 Hans Hagen wrote:

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that effort was changed in cooking up smaller independent manuals ...

Which I personally like. It provides more in depth knowledge.

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that ref manual still applies to much (encodings and fonts have changed of course)

I know about the state of the manual. The question is, if it's frozen and abandoned and the source repo closed down or if it has moved elsewhere. But as it seems it's no longer updated.

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The wiki should reflect that, at least the old repo information (foundry.supelec.fr) should go. The manual can stay. But before removing the info on the wiki someone needs to confirm there's no repo any longer. Sure, so best coordinate this with taco who is cleaning up / upgrading

indeed, so just forget about it the wiki andhas a shadow to play with running. Actually some more input on / help with that is welcome. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Taco Hoekwater

9:11 a.m.

Hi,

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On 11 Feb 2019, at 07:43, Hans Hagen wrote:

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The wiki should reflect that, at least the old repo information (foundry.supelec.fr) should go. The manual can stay. But before removing the info on the wiki someone needs to confirm there's no repo any longer.

Yes, the repo is gone. The page at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Manuals feels a bit out-of-date anyway, but I removed the reference to supelec.fr right now. Clearly more work is needed on how to present the ConTeXt documentation, and that is something that we are still working on.

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Sure, so best coordinate this with taco who is cleaning up / upgrading the wiki andhas a shadow to play with running. Actually some more input on / help with that is welcome.

And there is a mailing list to go with it: https://lists.contextgarden.net/mailman/listinfo/wiki Best wishes, Taco

Marco Patzer

9:38 a.m.

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 09:11:53 +0100 Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Hi,

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On 11 Feb 2019, at 07:43, Hans Hagen wrote:

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The wiki should reflect that, at least the old repo information (foundry.supelec.fr) should go. The manual can stay. But before removing the info on the wiki someone needs to confirm there's no repo any longer.

Yes, the repo is gone.

Thanks for confirming. In case someone needs the sources, I uploaded them to github (if no one objects). But I doubt I'll find the time to keep it updated. https://github.com/mpfusion/context-contextman

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The page at https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Manuals feels a bit out-of-date anyway, but I removed the reference to supelec.fr right now.

While you're at it. This one points to supelec, too: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Improving_the_manuals

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Clearly more work is needed on how to present the ConTeXt documentation, and that is something that we are still working on.

Never-ending story. But at least we should remove obviously wrong/outdated information. If my wiki login still works and have the permission, I can have a go myself some time this week.

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Sure, so best coordinate this with taco who is cleaning up / upgrading the wiki andhas a shadow to play with running. Actually some more input on / help with that is welcome.

And there is a mailing list to go with it:

https://lists.contextgarden.net/mailman/listinfo/wiki

I didn't know there's a list for the wiki. Signed up. Marco

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