2007/11/2, Wolfgang Schuster :

2007/11/1, Idris Samawi Hamid :

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Dear gang,

This has bugged me for years but I never said anything since the workaround is so easy. OTOH I am working on something I'd like to share with others and an official solution would be better:

\starttext \input knuth \startquotation \input knuth \stopquotation \input knuth \stoptext

I. \start-\stopquotation surrounds the block quote in double-quotes marks. I don't know about other European languages but in English this is redundant; I've hardly ever seen block quotes use dbl-quote marks.

We at least need a setup option to turn this off.

II. There should be some default whitespace between the block quote and the surrounding text, just as \start-stopitemize has. Or at least this should be configurable in the setups.

If these two are already there (not in the manual) then please let us know how to set this up. Otherwise could you add configuration options for this?

FYI: Here is what I use

=========== \definestartstop [quote] [before={\startnarrower[2*left,2*right]\blank[big]\noindenting}, after={\stopnarrower\blank[big]}] ===========

Best wishes Idris

Hi Idris,

there is no perfect solution in ConTeXt because the \quotation and the \start/stopquotation commands are defined with the same definition and it is not possible to disable the quote marks for the one and enable it for the other, but you can use ConTeXt's mechanism for nested quotations and redefine the other one.

\setupdelimitedtext [quotation] [1] [left={\symbol[leftquotation]}, right={\symbol[rightquotation]}]

\setupdelimitedtext [quotation] [2] [left={\symbol[leftquote]}, right={\symbol[rightquote]}]

\setupdelimitedtext [quote] [location=margin, % paragraph left=, right=, before={\blank[big]}, after={\blank[big]}]

This can also be written as \setupdelimitedtext [quote] [location=margin, % paragraph left=, right=, spacebefore=big, %spaceafter=big, % spaceafter is spacebefore by default ] \starttext

\input knuth

\quotation{I'm a quoteted text \quotation{within another quoteted text} and back.}

\startquote \input knuth \stopquote

\input knuth

\stoptext

Wolfgang

Dear Hans, wolfgang, and the rest of the gang, How about adding something like this to the distribution: ================================ \definedelimitedtext [blockquote][quote] \setupdelimitedtext [blockquote] [location=margin, left=, right=, leftmargin=standard, ] ================================ I'm working on a context utility that I want to distribute when done and we need a standard, quotes-empty blockquote mechanism. This way we can leave \quote and \quotation alone. Best wishes Idris On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 10:25:30 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

On Fri, 02 Nov 2007 04:01:25 -0600, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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there is no perfect solution in ConTeXt because the \quotation and the \start/stopquotation commands are defined with the same definition and it is not possible to disable the quote marks for the one and enable it for the other, but you can use ConTeXt's mechanism for nested quotations and redefine the other one.

\setupdelimitedtext [quotation] [1] [left={\symbol[leftquotation]}, right={\symbol[rightquotation]}]

\setupdelimitedtext [quotation] [2] [left={\symbol[leftquote]}, right={\symbol[rightquote]}]

\setupdelimitedtext [quote] [location=margin, % paragraph left=, right=, before={\blank[big]}, after={\blank[big]}]

-- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Dear Wolfgang, Thank you for your improvements and corrections. I always appreciate your lessons! Best wishes Idris

I think this is a goog idea but your definition is a little bit to long.

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\definedelimitedtext [blockquote][quote]

\startvariables all blockquote: blockquote \stopvariables

\definedelimitedtext [\v!blockquote][\v!quotation]

\setupdelimitedtext

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[blockquote] [location=margin, left=, right=, leftmargin=standard, ]

\setupdelimitedtext [\v!blockquote] [\c!left=, \c!right=]

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location=margin is a default value and set with \definedelimitedtext and leftmargin=standard is taken from quotation.

I'm working on a context utility that I want to distribute when done and

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we need a standard, quotes-empty blockquote mechanism. This way we can leave \quote and \quotation alone.

Best wishes Idris

Wolfgang

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On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 14:48:37 -0700, Hans Hagen wrote:

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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\definedelimitedtext [\v!blockquote][\v!quotation]

\setupdelimitedtext [\v!blockquote] [\c!left=, \c!right=]

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Thank you Hans! -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:02:29 -0700, Jesse Alama wrote:

Hans Hagen writes:

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Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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\definedelimitedtext [\v!blockquote][\v!quotation]

\setupdelimitedtext [\v!blockquote] [\c!left=, \c!right=]

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Excellent -- thanks! If I do a ctxtools --updatecontext, will this be available?

Hi, Check and compare with the release date of the latest beta on pragma-ade.com Best -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523