To be clear, I wasn’t talking about list vs notes. Consider just this : \cite[alternative=inline][doe] \footnote{\cite[alternative=inline][foo]} \cite[alternative=inline][doe] The citation in the footnote should not interupt the ibid-tracking in this case. The second doe-citation should trigger the ibid-mechanism. But: \cite[alternative=inline][doe] \footnote{\cite[alternative=inline][foo]} \cite[alternative=inline][foo] In this case, you wouldn’t want an ibid. for the foo-citation outside of the footnote. Denis Von: Joey McCollum Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. September 2021 17:16 An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Ibid. and idem support for bibliographies (and variable scope more generally) Yes, I haven't added any code to check for the useibid or useidem options in list citations; they are only used for in-text citations in the SBL specification definition. The distinction between \setupbtx[sbl:\s!list] and \setupbtx[sbl:\s!cite] should allow us to specify their options separately. For list citations, we probably should add a "sameauthor" option, with "rule" (draw a horizontal rule for repeated authors), "empty" (leave a blank space the size of the "margin" option), and "ditto" (e.g., a dumb quote sign, or "Idem") as potential values, since all three of these options are currently supported in publ-imp-chicago.mkvi and publ-imp-sbl.mkvi, but as far as I know, they always default to the "rule" setup. Joey On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:52 AM mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch> wrote: Cool. I don't know about your particular solution, but will probably want to make sure to have different variables for citations in the main text and in the notes. Denis ________________________________________ Von: ntg-context mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> im Auftrag von Joey McCollum via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. September 2021 02:22:49 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Joey McCollum Betreff: [NTG-context] Ibid. and idem support for bibliographies (and variable scope more generally) Hi, I've found a way to implement ibid. and idem support in the SBL specification under development at https://github.com/jjmccollum/context-sbl (this e-mail essentially repeats my comments in https://github.com/jjmccollum/context-sbl/issues/5), but I'm not sure if my solution is a recommended way to solve the problem, and I'm curious about why the more straightforward approach doesn't work. I've added useibid and useidem options for the \definebtx command (making them language-dependent by adding them to mult-def.lua, which seems to be how the other options have been implemented). Ideally, I'd like to follow the pattern of the chicago:list:sameauthor setup and use a macro similar to \btxdoifsameaspreviouselse. But since \btxdoifsameaspreviouselse relies on the indexed structure of the bibliographic list to determine what the "previous" entry is, it won't work for my purposes; I need to retrieve the tag of the last entry passed to the \cite command. I ended up making this work by initializing a global variable via ``` \setxvariables[btx:sbl][previousinlinetag=\empty] ``` in the publ-imp-sbl.mkvi file, resetting it at the end of each citation via ``` \setxvariables[btx:sbl][previousinlinetag=\currentbtxtag] ``` and checking it in the appropriate places via ``` getvariable{btx:sbl}{previousinlinetag} ``` I initially tried to do this with a simple macro \btx_sbl_previousinlinetag defined in publ-imp-sbl.mkvi (in the same scope as the rest of the specification), but attempting to reset it in the cite setups with \let or \def didn't work. Why doesn't this work? Is the setup for a cite alternative executed in its own scope in a way that would prevent me from updating a variable defined in the scope of the rendering specification? And is there a way to do this that is preferable to using global variables? Thanks! Joey

I think \doifmodeelse{*footnote} is what we need here. ________________________________________ Von: Joey McCollum Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. September 2021 18:45:53 An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Ibid. and idem support for bibliographies (and variable scope more generally) Ah, I see. My implementation will mess up in that case. We may need methods that keep track of whether a citation is made in a footnote or not. I'm not sure how to implement that. Certainly, if we knew that all footnote citations were being made with the alternative=footnote option, then that probably make things easier, but in the case of a verbose footnote that only features a citation at the end, it would likely be more convenient for a user to use the inline alternative in the footnote, as you do in your example. Thanks for catching that! Joey On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 11:55 AM mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch> wrote: To be clear, I wasn’t talking about list vs notes. Consider just this : \cite[alternative=inline][doe] \footnote{\cite[alternative=inline][foo]} \cite[alternative=inline][doe] The citation in the footnote should not interupt the ibid-tracking in this case. The second doe-citation should trigger the ibid-mechanism. But: \cite[alternative=inline][doe] \footnote{\cite[alternative=inline][foo]} \cite[alternative=inline][foo] In this case, you wouldn’t want an ibid. for the foo-citation outside of the footnote. Denis Von: Joey McCollum mailto:jmccollum20140511@gmail.com> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. September 2021 17:16 An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch> Cc: mailing list for ConTeXt users mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Ibid. and idem support for bibliographies (and variable scope more generally) Yes, I haven't added any code to check for the useibid or useidem options in list citations; they are only used for in-text citations in the SBL specification definition. The distinction between \setupbtx[sbl:\s!list] and \setupbtx[sbl:\s!cite] should allow us to specify their options separately. For list citations, we probably should add a "sameauthor" option, with "rule" (draw a horizontal rule for repeated authors), "empty" (leave a blank space the size of the "margin" option), and "ditto" (e.g., a dumb quote sign, or "Idem") as potential values, since all three of these options are currently supported in publ-imp-chicago.mkvi and publ-imp-sbl.mkvi, but as far as I know, they always default to the "rule" setup. Joey On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 12:52 AM mailto:denis.maier@unibe.ch> wrote: Cool. I don't know about your particular solution, but will probably want to make sure to have different variables for citations in the main text and in the notes. Denis ________________________________________ Von: ntg-context mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl> im Auftrag von Joey McCollum via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. September 2021 02:22:49 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Joey McCollum Betreff: [NTG-context] Ibid. and idem support for bibliographies (and variable scope more generally) Hi, I've found a way to implement ibid. and idem support in the SBL specification under development at https://github.com/jjmccollum/context-sbl (this e-mail essentially repeats my comments in https://github.com/jjmccollum/context-sbl/issues/5), but I'm not sure if my solution is a recommended way to solve the problem, and I'm curious about why the more straightforward approach doesn't work. I've added useibid and useidem options for the \definebtx command (making them language-dependent by adding them to mult-def.lua, which seems to be how the other options have been implemented). Ideally, I'd like to follow the pattern of the chicago:list:sameauthor setup and use a macro similar to \btxdoifsameaspreviouselse. But since \btxdoifsameaspreviouselse relies on the indexed structure of the bibliographic list to determine what the "previous" entry is, it won't work for my purposes; I need to retrieve the tag of the last entry passed to the \cite command. I ended up making this work by initializing a global variable via ``` \setxvariables[btx:sbl][previousinlinetag=\empty] ``` in the publ-imp-sbl.mkvi file, resetting it at the end of each citation via ``` \setxvariables[btx:sbl][previousinlinetag=\currentbtxtag] ``` and checking it in the appropriate places via ``` getvariable{btx:sbl}{previousinlinetag} ``` I initially tried to do this with a simple macro \btx_sbl_previousinlinetag defined in publ-imp-sbl.mkvi (in the same scope as the rest of the specification), but attempting to reset it in the cite setups with \let or \def didn't work. Why doesn't this work? Is the setup for a cite alternative executed in its own scope in a way that would prevent me from updating a variable defined in the scope of the rendering specification? And is there a way to do this that is preferable to using global variables? Thanks! Joey