Hans, in the ouput at http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.pdf, you can see that the vocabulary list, in both Spanish and ancient Greek are wrong sorted. After that, I discovered sort-lan.lua. There must be something else interferring in the sorting, because I read this list in the linked document: κατὰ, ἐκλαλεῖσθαι, κοινώσεσθαι, κρίσιν, κρίσιν, ἐκτὸς, ἐκχωρήσω, ἐλευθέρων, λιθιῶντας (it isn’t following the order in sort-lan.lua). I have two improvements. One is for the Spanish sort order. Accents don’t change sorting order: orders = { "a", "b", "c", "d", "e", "f", "g", "h", "i", "j", "k", "l", "m", "n", "ñ", "o", "p", "q", "r", "s", "t", "u", "v", "w", "x", "y", "z", } Diacritics don‘t affect to Greek alphabetic sorting. This sort order makes more sense: orders = { "α", "β", "γ", "δ", "ε", "ζ", "η", "θ", "ι", "κ", "λ", "μ", "ν", "ξ", "ο", "π", "ρ", "σ", "σ", "τ", "υ", "φ", "χ", "ψ", "ω", }, Could those be added to ConTeXt? Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk
On 03/20/2017 10:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Diacritics don‘t affect to Greek alphabetic sorting. This sort order makes more sense:
orders = { "α", "β", "γ", "δ", "ε", "ζ", "η", "θ", "ι", "κ", "λ", "μ", "ν", "ξ", "ο", "π", "ρ", "σ", "σ", "τ", "υ", "φ", "χ", "ψ", "ω", },
I made a mistake repeating the sigma (and not including the final sigma). Corrected version: orders = { "α", "β", "γ", "δ", "ε", "ζ", "η", "θ", "ι", "κ", "λ", "μ", "ν", "ξ", "ο", "π", "ρ", "σ", "ς", "τ", "υ", "φ", "χ", "ψ", "ω", }, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk
On 3/20/2017 10:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 03/20/2017 10:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Diacritics don‘t affect to Greek alphabetic sorting. This sort order makes more sense:
orders = { "α", "β", "γ", "δ", "ε", "ζ", "η", "θ", "ι", "κ", "λ", "μ", "ν", "ξ", "ο", "π", "ρ", "σ", "σ", "τ", "υ", "φ", "χ", "ψ", "ω", },
I made a mistake repeating the sigma (and not including the final sigma). Corrected version:
orders = { "α", "β", "γ", "δ", "ε", "ζ", "η", "θ", "ι", "κ", "λ", "μ", "ν", "ξ", "ο", "π", "ρ", "σ", "ς", "τ", "υ", "φ", "χ", "ψ", "ω", },
then you probably want replacements too: definitions["gr"] = { replacements = { { "α", "αa" }, { "ά", "αb" }, { "ὰ", "αc" }, { "ὰ", "αd" }, { "ᾳ", "αe" }, { "ἀ", "αf" }, { "ἁ", "αg" }, { "ἄ", "αh" }, { "ἂ", "αi" }, { "ἆ", "αj" }, { "ἁ", "αk" }, { "ἅ", "αl" }, { "ἃ", "αm" }, { "ἇ", "αn" }, { "ᾁ", "αo" }, { "ᾴ", "αp" }, { "ᾲ", "αq" }, { "ᾷ", "αr" }, { "ᾄ", "αs" }, { "ὰ", "αt" }, { "ᾅ", "αu" }, { "ᾃ", "αv" }, { "ᾆ", "αw" }, { "ᾇ", "αx" }, { "ε", "εa" }, { "έ", "εb" }, { "ὲ", "εc" }, { "ἐ", "εd" }, { "ἔ", "εe" }, { "ἒ", "εf" }, { "ἑ", "εg" }, { "ἕ", "εh" }, { "ἓ", "εi" }, { "η", "ηa" }, { "η", "ηb" }, { "ή", "ηc" }, { "ὴ", "ηd" }, { "ῆ", "ηe" }, { "ῃ", "ηf" }, { "ἠ", "ηg" }, { "ἤ", "ηh" }, { "ἢ", "ηi" }, { "ἦ", "ηj" }, { "ᾐ", "ηk" }, { "ἡ", "ηl" }, { "ἥ", "ηm" }, { "ἣ", "ηn" }, { "ἧ", "ηo" }, { "ᾑ", "ηp" }, { "ῄ", "ηq" }, { "ῂ", "ηr" }, { "ῇ", "ηs" }, { "ᾔ", "ηt" }, { "ᾒ", "ηu" }, { "ᾕ", "ηv" }, { "ᾓ", "ηw" }, { "ᾖ", "ηx" }, { "ᾗ", "ηy" }, { "ι", "ιa" }, { "ί", "ιb" }, { "ὶ", "ιc" }, { "ῖ", "ιd" }, { "ἰ", "ιe" }, { "ἴ", "ιf" }, { "ἲ", "ιg" }, { "ἶ", "ιh" }, { "ἱ", "ιi" }, { "ἵ", "ιj" }, { "ἳ", "ιk" }, { "ἷ", "ιl" }, { "ϊ", "ιm" }, { "ΐ", "ιn" }, { "ῒ", "ιo" }, { "ῗ", "ιp" }, { "ο", "οa" }, { "ό", "οb" }, { "ὸ", "οc" }, { "ὀ", "οd" }, { "ὄ", "οe" }, { "ὂ", "οf" }, { "ὁ", "οg" }, { "ὅ", "οh" }, { "ὃ", "οi" }, { "ρ", "ρa" }, { "ῤ", "ῤb" }, { "ῥ", "ῥc" }, { "υ", "υa" }, { "ύ", "υb" }, { "ὺ", "υc" }, { "ῦ", "υd" }, { "ὐ", "υe" }, { "ὔ", "υf" }, { "ὒ", "υg" }, { "ὖ", "υh" }, { "ὑ", "υi" }, { "ὕ", "υj" }, { "ὓ", "υk" }, { "ὗ", "υl" }, { "ϋ", "υm" }, { "ΰ", "υn" }, { "ῢ", "υo" }, { "ω", "ωa" }, { "ώ", "ωb" }, { "ὼ", "ωc" }, { "ῶ", "ωd" }, { "ῳ", "ωe" }, { "ὠ", "ωf" }, { "ὤ", "ωg" }, { "ὢ", "ωh" }, { "ὦ", "ωi" }, { "ᾠ", "ωj" }, { "ὡ", "ωk" }, { "ὥ", "ωl" }, { "ὣ", "ωm" }, { "ὧ", "ωn" }, { "ᾡ", "ωo" }, { "ῴ", "ωp" }, { "ῲ", "ωq" }, { "ῷ", "ωr" }, { "ᾤ", "ωs" }, { "ᾢ", "ωt" }, { "ᾥ", "ωu" }, { "ᾣ", "ωv" }, { "ᾦ", "ωw" }, { "ᾧ", "ωx" }, }, entries = { ["α"] = "α", ["ά"] = "α", ["ὰ"] = "α", ["ᾶ"] = "α", ["ᾳ"] = "α", ["ἀ"] = "α", ["ἁ"] = "α", ["ἄ"] = "α", ["ἂ"] = "α", ["ἆ"] = "α", ["ἁ"] = "α", ["ἅ"] = "α", ["ἃ"] = "α", ["ἇ"] = "α", ["ᾁ"] = "α", ["ᾴ"] = "α", ["ᾲ"] = "α", ["ᾷ"] = "α", ["ᾄ"] = "α", ["ᾂ"] = "α", ["ᾅ"] = "α", ["ᾃ"] = "α", ["ᾆ"] = "α", ["ᾇ"] = "α", ["β"] = "β", ["γ"] = "γ", ["δ"] = "δ", ["ε"] = "ε", ["έ"] = "ε", ["ὲ"] = "ε", ["ἐ"] = "ε", ["ἔ"] = "ε", ["ἒ"] = "ε", ["ἑ"] = "ε", ["ἕ"] = "ε", ["ἓ"] = "ε", ["ζ"] = "ζ", ["η"] = "η", ["η"] = "η", ["ή"] = "η", ["ὴ"] = "η", ["ῆ"] = "η", ["ῃ"] = "η", ["ἠ"] = "η", ["ἤ"] = "η", ["ἢ"] = "η", ["ἦ"] = "η", ["ᾐ"] = "η", ["ἡ"] = "η", ["ἥ"] = "η", ["ἣ"] = "η", ["ἧ"] = "η", ["ᾑ"] = "η", ["ῄ"] = "η", ["ῂ"] = "η", ["ῇ"] = "η", ["ᾔ"] = "η", ["ᾒ"] = "η", ["ᾕ"] = "η", ["ᾓ"] = "η", ["ᾖ"] = "η", ["ᾗ"] = "η", ["θ"] = "θ", ["ι"] = "ι", ["ί"] = "ι", ["ὶ"] = "ι", ["ῖ"] = "ι", ["ἰ"] = "ι", ["ἴ"] = "ι", ["ἲ"] = "ι", ["ἶ"] = "ι", ["ἱ"] = "ι", ["ἵ"] = "ι", ["ἳ"] = "ι", ["ἷ"] = "ι", ["ϊ"] = "ι", ["ΐ"] = "ι", ["ῒ"] = "ι", ["ῗ"] = "ι", ["κ"] = "κ", ["λ"] = "λ", ["μ"] = "μ", ["ν"] = "ν", ["ξ"] = "ξ", ["ο"] = "ο", ["ό"] = "ο", ["ὸ"] = "ο", ["ὀ"] = "ο", ["ὄ"] = "ο", ["ὂ"] = "ο", ["ὁ"] = "ο", ["ὅ"] = "ο", ["ὃ"] = "ο", ["π"] = "π", ["ρ"] = "ρ", ["ῤ"] = "ῤ", ["ῥ"] = "ῥ", ["σ"] = "σ", ["ς"] = "ς", ["τ"] = "τ", ["υ"] = "υ", ["ύ"] = "υ", ["ὺ"] = "υ", ["ῦ"] = "υ", ["ὐ"] = "υ", ["ὔ"] = "υ", ["ὒ"] = "υ", ["ὖ"] = "υ", ["ὑ"] = "υ", ["ὕ"] = "υ", ["ὓ"] = "υ", ["ὗ"] = "υ", ["ϋ"] = "υ", ["ΰ"] = "υ", ["ῢ"] = "υ", ["ῧ"] = "υ", ["φ"] = "φ", ["χ"] = "χ", ["ψ"] = "ψ", ["ω"] = "ω", ["ώ"] = "ω", ["ὼ"] = "ω", ["ῶ"] = "ω", ["ῳ"] = "ω", ["ὠ"] = "ω", ["ὤ"] = "ω", ["ὢ"] = "ω", ["ὦ"] = "ω", ["ᾠ"] = "ω", ["ὡ"] = "ω", ["ὥ"] = "ω", ["ὣ"] = "ω", ["ὧ"] = "ω", ["ᾡ"] = "ω", ["ῴ"] = "ω", ["ῲ"] = "ω", ["ῷ"] = "ω", ["ᾤ"] = "ω", ["ᾢ"] = "ω", ["ᾥ"] = "ω", ["ᾣ"] = "ω", ["ᾦ"] = "ω", ["ᾧ"] = "ω", }, orders = { "α", "β", "γ", "δ", "ε", "ζ", "η", "θ", "ι", "κ", "λ", "μ", "ν", "ξ", "ο", "π", "ρ", "σ", "ς", "τ", "υ", "φ", "χ", "ψ", "ω", }, } ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On 03/21/2017 11:08 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 3/20/2017 10:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 03/20/2017 10:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Diacritics don‘t affect to Greek alphabetic sorting. [...]
then you probably want replacements too:
After updating to latest beta (2017.03.21 14:21), I’m afraid I still get wrong alphabetic sorting for both Spanish and ancient Greek texts. See http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.pdf (and its source file http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.tex). In Spanish, acute accented vowels are sorted after their unaccented versions. In ancient Greek, some words are simply misplaced. I don’t know what I am missing. In the suite, Linux 32bit contains luateX-1.0.3. I don’t know whether this might affect to word sorting. I must confess that I don’t understand why replacements require Greek letters with diacritics to be converted to the Greek letter without diacritic and a Latin character. Or why replacements are needed at all. I mean, I understand that "ä", "ö", "ü" are sorted in German in three different ways. But these are different letters, after all. If diacritics don’t affect to sort order in Greek, which is the use of the replacements? { "α", "αa" }, { "ά", "αb" }, { "ὰ", "αc" }, { "ὰ", "αd" } In the line above, isn’t "ὰ" replaced by two different values? Is this ok? Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk
Pablo Rodriguez mailto:oinos@gmx.es 21. März 2017 um 18:19via Postbox https://www.postbox-inc.com/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=sumlink&utm_campaign=reach
After updating to latest beta (2017.03.21 14:21), I’m afraid I still get wrong alphabetic sorting for both Spanish and ancient Greek texts.
See http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.pdf (and its source file http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.tex).
In Spanish, acute accented vowels are sorted after their unaccented versions.
In ancient Greek, some words are simply misplaced.
I don’t know what I am missing. In the suite, Linux 32bit contains luateX-1.0.3. I don’t know whether this might affect to word sorting.
I must confess that I don’t understand why replacements require Greek letters with diacritics to be converted to the Greek letter without diacritic and a Latin character. Or why replacements are needed at all.
I mean, I understand that "ä", "ö", "ü" are sorted in German in three different ways. But these are different letters, after all.
If diacritics don’t affect to sort order in Greek, which is the use of the replacements?
{ "α", "αa" }, { "ά", "αb" }, { "ὰ", "αc" }, { "ὰ", "αd" }
In the line above, isn’t "ὰ" replaced by two different values? Is this ok? As I can see \setuplist[order=title] has no language specific settings.
Wolfgang
On 03/21/2017 06:44 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Pablo Rodriguez schrieb am 21. März 2017 um 18:19: After updating to latest beta (2017.03.21 14:21), I’m afraid I still get wrong alphabetic sorting for both Spanish and ancient Greek texts. [...] In the line above, isn’t "ὰ" replaced by two different values? Is this ok?
As I can see \setuplist[order=title] has no language specific settings.
Is there a way to specify the language? Couldn’t it use by default \currentlanguage of the \placelist command? Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk
On 3/21/2017 6:19 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 03/21/2017 11:08 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 3/20/2017 10:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
On 03/20/2017 10:28 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:
Diacritics don‘t affect to Greek alphabetic sorting. [...]
then you probably want replacements too:
After updating to latest beta (2017.03.21 14:21), I’m afraid I still get wrong alphabetic sorting for both Spanish and ancient Greek texts.
See http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.pdf (and its source file http://www.ousia.tk/grc-order.tex).
In Spanish, acute accented vowels are sorted after their unaccented versions.
In ancient Greek, some words are simply misplaced.
I don’t know what I am missing. In the suite, Linux 32bit contains luateX-1.0.3. I don’t know whether this might affect to word sorting.
I must confess that I don’t understand why replacements require Greek letters with diacritics to be converted to the Greek letter without diacritic and a Latin character. Or why replacements are needed at all.
I mean, I understand that "ä", "ö", "ü" are sorted in German in three different ways. But these are different letters, after all.
well, you want alphas with some diacretics to come out in a well defined order not some random way .. there's always some order needed
If diacritics don’t affect to sort order in Greek, which is the use of the replacements?
{ "α", "αa" }, { "ά", "αb" }, { "ὰ", "αc" }, { "ὰ", "αd" }
In the line above, isn’t "ὰ" replaced by two different values? Is this ok?
Many thanks for your help,
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