Summing up ligature prevention tests
Hi, Trying to sum up what we currently have regarding ligature prevention, it looks like we have three mechanisms available: 1. \replaceword[set][input][output] Ex.: \replaceword[ligs][Auflage][Au{fl}age] Replaces a word input with the corresponding output. Doesn't work at the moment with LMTX. Can be used for words with multiple wrong ligatures (Auflaufform). Does not take derived forms into account (e.g., replacements for Auflage and Auflagen must both be defined). 2. \blockligatures Works as a font feature to block certain ligatures Works also for derived forms of a given word (e.g., \blockligatures[Au:fl:age] will also block the fl-ligature in "Auflagen"). Currently, can't be used when multiple ligatures should be suppressed. \blockligatures[Au:fl:au:ff:orm] blocks the fl-ligature, but the ff-ligature still shows up. This here seems to works though: \blockligatures [ Au:fl:auf, au:ff:orm, ] Don't know if there are unwanted side-effects to that approach. 3. \startexceptions Works via hyphenation exceptions. To define exceptions for "Auflage" and "Auflaufform" use: \startexceptions[de] au{f-}{l}{fl}(f\zwnj l)age Au{f-}{l}{fl}(f\zwnj l)au{f-}{f}{ff}(f\zwnj f)orm \stopexceptions This does not work automatically for derived forms; you'll have to define plural and other forms as well. As this works with hyphenation exceptions you'll have to add legal hyphenation points as well, so for "Auflage", you will actually need: \startexceptions[de] au{f-}{l}{fl}(f\zwnj l)a-ge \stopexceptions IMO, the \blockligatures is the cleanest, both conceptually and syntax wise. Being able to implicitely disable derived forms is a big plus, but of course there may be drawbacks I don't see now. The only downsides I see currently is that you need workarounds to block multiple ligatures in a single words, of which there might not be too many. And, it's kind of an "all or nothing" approach as you cannot define sets of blocked ligatures. (But that may not be a relevant use case anyway.) Anything, I've missed? Other aspects to think about here? How about performance issues? (The blockligatures-mechanism resulted in this: with a word list of about 2200 words it took a bit more than five seconds to process 23 A5 pages than 2.5 seconds without the blocked ligatures. I'll test with the other methods later or tomorrow.) Denis
On 3/24/2021 8:24 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
Anything, I've missed? Other aspects to think about here? How about performance issues? (The blockligatures-mechanism resulted in this: with a word list of about 2200 words it took a bit more than five seconds to process 23 A5 pages than 2.5 seconds without the blocked ligatures. I'll test with the other methods later or tomorrow.) of course there is always more:
\starttext {effie} {ef{\norightligaturing f}ie} {ef{\noleftligaturing f}ie} {ef{\noleftligaturing\norightligaturing f}ie} {ef{\noligaturing f}ie} {\noligaturing effie} \stoptext (con)tex(t) is all about control (and secret features), (and yes: there's also \noleftkerning etc) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
So, what's the general recommendation? Which approach is the best in your opinion? (In case it's the \replaceword approach: do you think you'll have time to look into this?) I've seen in an older thread that the best way to deal with this would be in the hyphenator. What do you think about this now, a couple of years later? And, while we're at it: how do you deal with words like "begrifflich" where you'll want the ff ligature, but not the ffl ligature. I've tried this \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begri{ffl}ich] But this breaks the ligature completely. \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begrif{fl}ich] is not correct either (doesn't do anything). Or with exceptions: \startexceptions[de] begri{ff-}{l}{ffl}(ff\zwnj l)ich \stopexceptions But that also breaks the ligature completely. Denis
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 24. März 2021 23:16 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Summing up ligature prevention tests On 3/24/2021 8:24 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
Anything, I've missed? Other aspects to think about here? How about performance issues? (The blockligatures-mechanism resulted in this: with a word list of about 2200 words it took a bit more than five seconds to process 23 A5 pages than 2.5 seconds without the blocked ligatures. I'll test with the other methods later or tomorrow.) of course there is always more:
\starttext
{effie} {ef{\norightligaturing f}ie} {ef{\noleftligaturing f}ie} {ef{\noleftligaturing\norightligaturing f}ie} {ef{\noligaturing f}ie} {\noligaturing effie}
\stoptext
(con)tex(t) is all about control (and secret features),
(and yes: there's also \noleftkerning etc)
Hans
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On 3/24/2021 11:43 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
So, what's the general recommendation? Which approach is the best in your opinion? (In case it's the \replaceword approach: do you think you'll have time to look into this?)
I've seen in an older thread that the best way to deal with this would be in the hyphenator. What do you think about this now, a couple of years later?
And, while we're at it: how do you deal with words like "begrifflich" where you'll want the ff ligature, but not the ffl ligature. I've tried this \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begri{ffl}ich] But this breaks the ligature completely. \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begrif{fl}ich] is not correct either (doesn't do anything).
Or with exceptions: \startexceptions[de] begri{ff-}{l}{ffl}(ff\zwnj l)ich \stopexceptions
But that also breaks the ligature completely. Todays secret:
\starttext \registerhyphenationpattern[nl][e1ë/e=e] \registerhyphenationpattern[nl][a9atje./a=t,1,3] \registerhyphenationpattern[en][eigh1tee/t=t,5,1] \registerhyphenationpattern[de][c1k/k=k] \registerhyphenationpattern[de][schif1f/ff=f,5,2] \starthyphenation[traditional] \starttabulate[|||] \NC reëel \NC \language[nl]\hyphenatedcoloredword{reëel} \NC \NR \NC omaatje \NC \language[nl]\hyphenatedcoloredword{omaatje} \NC \NR \NC eighteen \NC \language[en]\hyphenatedcoloredword{eighteen} \NC \NR \NC Zucker \NC \language[de]\hyphenatedcoloredword{Zucker} \NC \NR \NC Schiffahrt \NC \language[de]\hyphenatedcoloredword{Schiffahrt} \NC \NR \stoptabulate \stophyphenation \stoptext I think only Pablo ever used this variant. And yes, it's actually documented in a manual. But it's old code thay I might want to update to be more lmtx-ish. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Gesendet: Donnerstag, 25. März 2021 11:02 An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) ; ntg- context@ntg.nl Betreff: Re: AW: [NTG-context] Summing up ligature prevention tests So, what's the general recommendation? Which approach is the best in your opinion? (In case it's the \replaceword approach: do you think you'll have time to look into this?)
I've seen in an older thread that the best way to deal with this would be in
On 3/24/2021 11:43 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote: the hyphenator. What do you think about this now, a couple of years later?
And, while we're at it: how do you deal with words like "begrifflich" where
you'll want the ff ligature, but not the ffl ligature.
I've tried this \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begri{ffl}ich] But this breaks the ligature completely. \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begrif{fl}ich] is not correct either (doesn't do anything).
Or with exceptions: \startexceptions[de] begri{ff-}{l}{ffl}(ff\zwnj l)ich \stopexceptions
But that also breaks the ligature completely. Todays secret:
\starttext
\registerhyphenationpattern[nl][e1ë/e=e] \registerhyphenationpattern[nl][a9atje./a=t,1,3] \registerhyphenationpattern[en][eigh1tee/t=t,5,1] \registerhyphenationpattern[de][c1k/k=k] \registerhyphenationpattern[de][schif1f/ff=f,5,2]
\starthyphenation[traditional] \starttabulate[|||] \NC reëel \NC \language[nl]\hyphenatedcoloredword{reëel} \NC \NR \NC omaatje \NC \language[nl]\hyphenatedcoloredword{omaatje} \NC \NR \NC eighteen \NC \language[en]\hyphenatedcoloredword{eighteen} \NC \NR \NC Zucker \NC \language[de]\hyphenatedcoloredword{Zucker} \NC \NR \NC Schiffahrt \NC \language[de]\hyphenatedcoloredword{Schiffahrt} \NC \NR \stoptabulate \stophyphenation
\stoptext
I think only Pablo ever used this variant. And yes, it's actually documented in a manual. But it's old code thay I might want to update to be more lmtx-ish.
Hans
Yes, that's in the "languages" manual. But I don't understand how this will help with the ligatures? \registerhyphenationpattern[de][.begriff1l/ff=l,6,3] Gives me correct hyphenation of begrifflich, but has no effect on ligatures (see below). Denis \starttext \registerhyphenationpattern[de][.begriff1l/ff=l,6,3] \starthyphenation[traditional] \language[de] begrifflich \hyphenatedcoloredword{begrifflich} \stophyphenation \language[de] begrifflich \hyphenatedcoloredword{begrifflich} \stoptext
On 3/24/2021 11:43 PM, denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch wrote:
So, what's the general recommendation? Which approach is the best in your opinion? (In case it's the \replaceword approach: do you think you'll have time to look into this?)
I've seen in an older thread that the best way to deal with this would be in the hyphenator. What do you think about this now, a couple of years later?
And, while we're at it: how do you deal with words like "begrifflich" where you'll want the ff ligature, but not the ffl ligature. I've tried this \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begri{ffl}ich] But this breaks the ligature completely. \replaceword[ligs][begrifflich][begrif{fl}ich] is not correct either (doesn't do anything).
Or with exceptions: \startexceptions[de] begri{ff-}{l}{ffl}(ff\zwnj l)ich \stopexceptions
But that also breaks the ligature completely. only in lmtx ... i'll check it (probably some interference with compact fonts mode)
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