Taco Hoekwater 写道:

Wei-Wei Guo wrote:

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I'm still confused. Is it possible to use different bibl based on the value of \lang.

I am not sure what \lang is now, but you cannot get a different bibl file based on the current \language or \mainlanguage in the document.

The \lang that I said is the entry field in \startpublications. It is listed in the t-bib manual.

I was talking about influencing one (or more) of the entries in the bibliography list based on the language of that actual entry. With quite some trickery, that could be made to work (but not easy either).

Maybe it is better to provide a simple example. For example, I have try.bbl as following. \startpublication[k=article-full,t=article, a={{Aamport},{}},y=1986, n=1,s=AAAA86] \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport} \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport} \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport} \artauthor[]{Leslie~A.}[L.~A.]{}{Aamport} \pubyear{1986} \arttitle{The gnats and gnus document preparation system} \journal{\mbox{G-Animal's} Journal} \volume{41} \issue{7} \pages{73--83} \month{7} \note{This is a full ARTICLE entry} \stoppublication \startpublication[k=c-article-full,t=article, a={{姓名一},{}},y=1986, n=2,s=XXXX86] \lang{chinese} \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名一} \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名二} \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名三} \artauthor[]{}[]{}{姓名四} \pubyear{1986} \arttitle{一篇文章的名字} \journal{一本杂志的名字} \volume{41} \issue{7} \pages{73--82} \month{7} \note{This is a full ARTICLE entry} \stoppublication And I cite those two entries in my main text. English Bibliogrphy \cite[article-full]. 中文文献 \cite[c-article-full]。 I want to get English Bibliogrphy (Aamport, et al.,1986). 中文文献（姓名一, 等, 1986）。 Could you give some clues about how to implement it? Another question: How to get "Hoekwater(2009)" instead of "(Hoekwater, 2009)"? I mean the equal command of \citet in LaTeX. Best wishes, Wei-Wei

Taco Hoekwater 写道:

In mkiv (and xetex also, I assume), that just works, assuming you have a working typescript for the combination of scripts. Example attached (the example uses AdobeMingStd-Light)

You might misunderstand. I was providing an example to you in my previous email, not asking you to give me an example file. But it is fine since I can describe my problem clear based on the PDF file generated from 'runme.tex'. Here is what I want: English Bibliogrphy (Aamport, et al.,1986). 中文文献（姓名一, 等, 1986）。 Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A. and Aamport, L. A. (1986). The gnats and gnus document preparation system. G-Animal's Journal, 41(7), 73-83. This is a full ARTICLE entry. 姓名一, 姓名二, 姓名三 和 姓名四(1986).一篇文章的名字.一本杂志的名字, 41(7), 73-82. This is a full ARTICLE entry. Here is what 'runme.tex' provides: English Bibliogrphy (Aamport, et al.,1986). 中文文献（姓名一, etal, 1986）。 Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A., Aamport, L. A. and Aamport, L. A. (1986). The gnats and gnus document preparation system. G-Animal's Journal, 41(7), 73-83. This is a full ARTICLE entry. 姓名一,姓名二,姓名三and姓名四(1986).一篇文章的名字.一本杂志的名字, 41(7), 73-82. This is a full ARTICLE entry. Compare those two results: - Chinese citation uses '等' instead of 'et al'. - Chinese bibliography uses '和' instead of 'and'. Of course, the comparison is not complete. My question: Since I can write 'bibl-my-en.tex' for English entries and 'bibl-my-zh.tex' for Chinese entries, can I use both of them when I have both English and Chinese citations in one paper? If not, could you give some advises about how to implement it? Hope I made it clear this time. Best wishes, Wei-Wei

Thank you very much! Best wishes, Wei-Wei Taco Hoekwater 写道:

The long answer: although you cannot make it depend on the language of the citation, you can make it change depending on an explicit language switch. This takes a bit of work, but it is better than nothing, I guess.

Here is how:

* first, edit the bibl-my file so that it contains calls to \labeltext{} instead of literal tests, for example:

\setupcite [authoryears] [andtext={ \labeltext{and} }, otherstext={ \labeltext{etal}}, .... % many more are needed, of course

you can invent wnatever you like in the argument of \labeltext, because you will define them in the next step.

* second, define all the label texts you used in the previous step for the all languages you need. Short example:

\setuplabeltext[en][etal={et al.}, and={and}] \setuplabeltext[cn][etal={等},and={和}]

* third, you now need to do a \mainlanguage switch before every \cite that does not use the main language of your paper. So assuming your paper is uses \mainlanguage[cn], then you need to create a definition like this for the english citations:

\def\encite[#1]{{\mainlanguage[en]\cite[#1]}}

and you have to use \encite[article=full] in your paper.

that takes care of the citations in the running text of your paper. For the publication list:

* first, you have to redefine one of the t-bib macros. The new definition of \lang (to be put in your setup) should become

\unprotect \def\lang#1% {\def\biblanguage{#1}% \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}% \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}% \fi \ignorespaces} \protect

* two, you have to a language field to each bibtex data item.

* three, you need a \setbiblanguage command for every language name that appears in your bib file. This will connect \lang arguments to context language keys.

For example:

\setbiblanguage{chinese}{cn} \setbiblanguage{english}{en}

you may need a few of those, depending on how consistent your bibtex data is.

After all of that, it will probably work, in most cases. Incidentally, one of the reasons why the bib modules doesn't do this is because all of that mucking about with \mainlanguage not very nice. Another is that a simple string replacement is usually not sufficient to have proper localization. A third reason is that many publishers want to have citation data in the language of the paper, regardless of the language of the cited publications.

For completeness' I have attached my example again, with all these points applied.

Best wishes, Taco

On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Wei-Wei Guo wrote:

Dear all,

I'm reading the source file of t-bib. I find there are lots of '\c!', '\s!', and '\v!'. What do they mean? I searched in wiki, TeXBook, ConTeXt manual, TeX impatient, and mail list. Those commands appear some times, but no explanation.

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080629.104105.40e28a70.el.html

Another question is related the following codes from Taco (thank you, Taco). There are tokens like '\??pb @lang@`. What does it mean? Could you tell me, to get deep understanding, what to read or which part to read in TeXBook or some other manuals. I don't know what to search to find related topics.

\unprotect

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\def\lang#1% {\def\biblanguage{#1}% \ifcsname \??pb @lang@#1\endcsname \expanded{\mainlanguage[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}% \expanded{\language[\getvalue{\??pb @lang@#1}]}% \fi \ignorespaces} \protect

Best wishes, Wei-Wei

Thank you, Taco and Alan. Best wishes, Wei-Wei Taco Hoekwater 写道:

Alan Stone wrote:

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On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Wei-Wei Guo wrote:

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Dear all,

I'm reading the source file of t-bib. I find there are lots of '\c!', '\s!', and '\v!'. What do they mean? I searched in wiki, TeXBook, ConTeXt manual, TeX impatient, and mail list. Those commands appear some times, but no explanation.

http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20080629.104105.40e28a70.el.html

Also generally helpful for a low-level understanding of context are these wiki pages:

http://wiki.contextgarden.net/System_Macros

Thanks, Wolfgang and Hans. Best wishes, Wei-Wei Hans Hagen 写道:

this is not stuff most users want to know or see; add a few \expandafter's, \futurelet's and \afterassignments and one wonders in what universe one has ended up

Hans