Hi, I have a basic problem with the very first step of using bibliographies in ConTeXt: converting BBI to BBL files. And, as far as I have understood, the only thing that ".bst" files do is sorting. This means that a plain run of bibtex like this ... \setupbibtex[database=mytry_x.bib] \starttext Test \completepublications \stoptext ... should convert the entire database (eg. from a ".bib" file) in TeX-parsable records, written in a ".bbl" file. If I want to shorten many authors to just one followed by "et al." there is the otion "authoretallimit" that specifies the number needed to trigger 'et al.' handling. This can be set *later* in setuppublicationlist. But when I run the minimal exmaple above against this database "mytry_x.bib": @BOOK{daunerliebkonzenschmidt, author = {Peter Schlechtriem and Horst Konzen}, } @BOOK{schlechtriemschmidtkessel, author = {Peter Schlechtriem and Horst Konzen and Karsten Schmidt}, } ... the resulting bbl lookes like this: \setuppublicationlist[samplesize={SKS},totalnumber=2] \startpublication[k=daunerliebkonzenschmidt,t=book, a={{Schlechtriem},{Konzen}},y=, n=1,s=SK] \author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem} \author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen} \stoppublication \startpublication[k=schlechtriemschmidtkessel,t=book, a={{Schlechtriem},{}},y=, n=2,s=SKS] \author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem} \author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen} \author[]{Karsten}[K.]{}{Schmidt} \stoppublication So the three authors *are* already shortened to "a={{Schlechtriem},{}}" only! Is this a bug or a hidden preset that I just didn't found yet? Any help would be appreciated Steffen
Am 06.07.2011 um 11:19 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
Hi,
On 07/06/11 11:00, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
So the three authors *are* already shortened to "a={{Schlechtriem},{}}" only!
This is a limitation of both the bst and the macros, you cannot have
... as explained in AuthorA, AuthorB and AuthorC (1990).
What is required is ... as explained in AuthorA/AuthorB/AuthorC (1990). [Is is required not until *four* authors to set an authoretallimit like ... as explained in AuthorX et al. (1991)] Where/how can the current limitation be changed? Steffen
On 07/06/11 11:38, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
What is required is
... as explained in AuthorA/AuthorB/AuthorC (1990).
[Is is required not until *four* authors to set an authoretallimit like ... as explained in AuthorX et al. (1991)]
Where/how can the current limitation be changed?
I have long since forgotten how to write bst files, and (more worryingly) I have no idea how to change the mkiv bib 'macros', so my proposal (especially since you want odd separators as well) would is: fix the bbl manually so that it looks like this: \startpublication[k=schlechtriemschmidtkessel,t=book, a={{Schlechtriem/Konzen/Schmidt}},y=, n=2,s=SKS] \author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem} \author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen} \author[]{Karsten}[K.]{}{Schmidt} \stoppublication
Am 06.07.2011 um 11:47 schrieb Taco Hoekwater:
On 07/06/11 11:38, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
What is required is
... as explained in AuthorA/AuthorB/AuthorC (1990).
[Is is required not until *four* authors to set an authoretallimit like ... as explained in AuthorX et al. (1991)]
Where/how can the current limitation be changed?
I have long since forgotten how to write bst files, and (more worryingly) I have no idea how to change the mkiv bib 'macros', so my proposal (especially since you want odd separators as well) would is: fix the bbl manually so that it looks like this:
\startpublication[k=schlechtriemschmidtkessel,t=book, a={{Schlechtriem/Konzen/Schmidt}},y=, n=2,s=SKS] \author[]{Peter}[P.]{}{Schlechtriem} \author[]{Horst}[H.]{}{Konzen} \author[]{Karsten}[K.]{}{Schmidt} \stoppublication
as databases usually have *lots* of entries this really is a daring venture :o) skimming through hundreds, thousands of entries, finding those how have exactly 3 authors and stuffing the information from the three "\author" fields into the one "a" field! hope that nothing will go wrong ... Steffen
On 6-7-2011 12:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
as databases usually have *lots* of entries this really is a daring venture :o)
skimming through hundreds, thousands of entries, finding those how have exactly 3 authors and stuffing the information from the three "\author" fields into the one "a" field!
hope that nothing will go wrong ...
you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Am 06.07.2011 um 12:47 schrieb Hans Hagen:
On 6-7-2011 12:03, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
as databases usually have *lots* of entries this really is a daring venture :o)
skimming through hundreds, thousands of entries, finding those how have exactly 3 authors and stuffing the information from the three "\author" fields into the one "a" field!
hope that nothing will go wrong ...
you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda
an even more challenging option, that might need some extra hooks, is the "ibid" option: an article is cited in a footnote. the macro looks if this article is already cited before. if so it looks if this is exactly the same article as cited directly before. and it makes sure that it is not the first cite on the current page (resp. spread). if all these are true, the \cite command gives an "Ibid." instead of the full cite. as this is provided for latex users by Philipp Lehman with his biblatex package, it is considered to be kind of standard by some publisher today. Steffen
On 07.07.2011 11:25, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Am 06.07.2011 um 12:47 schrieb Hans Hagen:
you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda
an even more challenging option, that might need some extra hooks, is the "ibid" option:
an article is cited in a footnote. the macro looks if this article is already cited before. if so it looks if this is exactly the same article as cited directly before. and it makes sure that it is not the first cite on the current page (resp. spread).
if all these are true, the \cite command gives an "Ibid." instead of the full cite.
as this is provided for latex users by Philipp Lehman with his biblatex package, it is considered to be kind of standard by some publisher today.
Steffen
Hi Steffen, I think Andreas Schneider posted a working solution for this some time ago. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100121.112244.d88e2646.en.html But it is possible that this does not work anymore with the current beta (untested). Best regards, Stefan.
Am 07.07.2011 um 15:18 schrieb Stefan Müller:
On 07.07.2011 11:25, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Am 06.07.2011 um 12:47 schrieb Hans Hagen:
you can write a script that does it for you ... maybe at some point I will provide some extra hooks in the bib module but it has no priority on my agenda
an even more challenging option, that might need some extra hooks, is the "ibid" option:
an article is cited in a footnote. the macro looks if this article is already cited before. if so it looks if this is exactly the same article as cited directly before. and it makes sure that it is not the first cite on the current page (resp. spread).
if all these are true, the \cite command gives an "Ibid." instead of the full cite.
as this is provided for latex users by Philipp Lehman with his biblatex package, it is considered to be kind of standard by some publisher today.
Steffen
Hi Steffen,
I think Andreas Schneider posted a working solution for this some time ago. http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20100121.112244.d88e2646.en.html
But it is possible that this does not work anymore with the current beta (untested).
Best regards, Stefan.
Hi Stefan, thanks for the note. Unfortunately Andreas' module doesn't work anymore. I had a correspondence with him on that in April this year: he could reproduce the error, but had no idea what the reason might be, resp. what changes in MkIV now cause a conflict with his module. Maybe Hans knows? Steffen
On Thursday, July 7, 2011 22:41 Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Hi Stefan,
thanks for the note. Unfortunately Andreas' module doesn't work anymore.
I had a correspondence with him on that in April this year: he could reproduce the error, but had no idea what the reason might be, resp. what changes in MkIV now cause a conflict with his module.
Maybe Hans knows?
Steffen
After a lot of work with ConTeXt the past few weeks, I had some more thoughts on possible causes for this problem. I finally found the culprits: \expandoneargafter doesn't seem to be around anymore ... it works fine without, though. \doifnotempty doesn't quite seem to work (the way I intend it to), so I replaced them with \doifnot{...}{}{...} I attached the current "module" (yes, it's not really a module, but it's slightly more convenient to use that way ... the whole thing is nothing more than a workaround anyway). I hope I haven't killed any functionality while toying around and hunting the bug, but at least my Diploma Thesis looks still right when processed with that "module". Since I currently don't use that module actively, I will probably not enhance or otherwise improve it. So if anyone else feels like providing a better solution for the Ibidem-problem: please do! -- Best Regards, Andreas
Hi, Am 07.07.2011 um 23:50 schrieb Andreas Schneider:
I hope I haven't killed any functionality while toying around and hunting the bug, but at least my Diploma Thesis looks still right when processed with that "module".
could you provide a (minimal) example that demonstrates the functionality you have intended? Thanks a lot for your efforts, Steffen
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