Hi,
please have a look at this minimal example.
The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
Best, Steffen
—
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions steff-en \stopexceptions
english text english text english teste: steffen
\start\language[it] italian text italian text italian teste: steffen \stop
\start\language[it]\hyphenation{steff-en} italian text italian text italian teste: steffen \stop
\stoptext
Untested: try specifying the exceptions first, load mainlanguage later?
Or, use \hyphenation?
Have you tested any if these?
Or, you could use multiple exception blocks... \startexceptions[it] Steff-en \stopexceptions
\startexceptions[en] Steff-en \stopexceptions
________________________________________ Von: ntg-context ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl im Auftrag von Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context ntg-context@ntg.nl Gesendet: Montag, 12. September 2022 17:11:55 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Steffen Wolfrum Betreff: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
Hi,
please have a look at this minimal example.
The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
Best, Steffen
—
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\startexceptions steff-en \stopexceptions
english text english text english teste: steffen
\start\language[it] italian text italian text italian teste: steffen \stop
\start\language[it]\hyphenation{steff-en} italian text italian text italian teste: steffen \stop
\stoptext
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Hi Steffen,
The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
You can use \replaceword:
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en] \setreplacements[hyphenations]
english text english text english teste: steffen steffen
\start\language[it] italian text italian text italian teste: steffen steffen \stop
\stoptext
-- Max
… \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
st.
Am 14.09.2022 um 08:35 schrieb Max Chernoff mseven@telus.net:
Hi Steffen,
The idea is to set the hyphenation for certain words regardless of the language that is used in the surrounding paragraphs.
In this example it should stay: «steff-en»
How do i set this to all non-english paragraphs (without using \hyphenation on each language-switch)?
You can use \replaceword:
\starttext
\setuppapersize[A6][A6]
\mainlanguage[en]
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en] \setreplacements[hyphenations]
english text english text english teste: steffen steffen
\start\language[it] italian text italian text italian teste: steffen steffen \stop
\stoptext
-- Max
Hi Steffen,
… \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
Well I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it seems to work. Based on my testing, having three subsequent sets of groups ({A}{B}{C}) is converted to a discretionary. The discretionary hyphen "-" is equivalent to the Plain TeX command "\discretionary{-}{}{}", so
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
acts just like "steff-en". TeX won't otherwise hyphenate a word with discretionaries, so this means that "steff-en" will be the only allowable hyphenation.
-- Max
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Im Auftrag von Max Chernoff via ntg-context Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 08:51 An: ntg-context@ntg.nl Cc: Max Chernoff mseven@telus.net; context@st.estfiles.de Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
Hi Steffen,
… \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
Well I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it seems to work. Based on my testing, having three subsequent sets of groups ({A}{B}{C}) is converted to a discretionary. The discretionary hyphen "-" is equivalent to the Plain TeX command "\discretionary{-}{}{}", so
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
acts just like "steff-en". TeX won't otherwise hyphenate a word with discretionaries, so this means that "steff-en" will be the only allowable hyphenation.
Just one caveat though. IIRC, Hans has mentioned that this kind of stuff is slower than using the hyphenation engine directly. (That's why he has reimplemented the ligature suppression mechanism on the hyphenation level, rather than acting on the node list.)
Best, Denis
Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
Steffen
Am 14.09.2022 um 09:19 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context ntg-context@ntg.nl:
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Im Auftrag von Max Chernoff via ntg-context Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 08:51 An: ntg-context@ntg.nl Cc: Max Chernoff mseven@telus.net; context@st.estfiles.de Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
Hi Steffen,
… \replaceword should be the correct way for proper hyphenation??
Well I'm not sure if it's "correct", but it seems to work. Based on my testing, having three subsequent sets of groups ({A}{B}{C}) is converted to a discretionary. The discretionary hyphen "-" is equivalent to the Plain TeX command "\discretionary{-}{}{}", so
\replaceword[hyphenations][steffen][steff{-}{}{}en]
acts just like "steff-en". TeX won't otherwise hyphenate a word with discretionaries, so this means that "steff-en" will be the only allowable hyphenation.
Just one caveat though. IIRC, Hans has mentioned that this kind of stuff is slower than using the hyphenation engine directly. (That's why he has reimplemented the ligature suppression mechanism on the hyphenation level, rather than acting on the node list.)
Best, Denis ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Im Auftrag von Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 16:45 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Cc: Steffen Wolfrum context@st.estfiles.de; Hans Hagen pragma@wxs.nl Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
Denis
a bug?
st.
Am 14.09.2022 um 16:54 schrieb denis.maier@unibe.ch:
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl Im Auftrag von Steffen Wolfrum via ntg-context Gesendet: Mittwoch, 14. September 2022 16:45 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ntg-context@ntg.nl Cc: Steffen Wolfrum context@st.estfiles.de; Hans Hagen pragma@wxs.nl Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects
Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
Denis
On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
[...] Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
\hyphenation only works for the given language:
\hyphenation{macOS} \starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS}
\startlanguage[fr] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS} \stoplanguage \stopTEXpage \stoptext
But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like \hyphenation.)
In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with ligatures:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional] \registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS] \registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
\starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\startlanguage[it] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS} \stoplanguage \stopTEXpage \stoptext
If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or companies) would be really useful.
Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
Pablo
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
Von: Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> Betreff: Aw: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects Datum: 14. September 2022 um 19:40:53 MESZ An: Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> Kopie: Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es mailto:oinos@gmx.es> Antwort an: mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>
On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
[...] Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
\hyphenation only works for the given language:
\hyphenation{macOS} \starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS}
\startlanguage[fr] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS} \stoplanguage \stopTEXpage \stoptext
But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like \hyphenation.)
In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with ligatures:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional] \registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS] \registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
\starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\startlanguage[it] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS} \stoplanguage \stopTEXpage \stoptext
If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or companies) would be really useful.
Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
Pablo
Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
Steffen
On 10/24/2022 3:08 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:
Anfang der weitergeleiteten Nachricht:
*Von: *Pablo Rodriguez via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> *Betreff: **Aw: [NTG-context] Hyphenation in multi-language projects* *Datum: *14. September 2022 um 19:40:53 MESZ *An: *Denis Maier via ntg-context <ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> *Kopie: *Pablo Rodriguez <oinos@gmx.es mailto:oinos@gmx.es> *Antwort an: *mailing list for ConTeXt users <ntg-context@ntg.nl mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl>
On 9/14/22 16:54, Denis Maier via ntg-context wrote:
[...] Isn’t there a way to list exceptions that will work in *all* languages?
I thought that \hyphenation would work like that, or \startexceptions without a language code. Apparently that's not the case.
\hyphenation only works for the given language:
\hyphenation{macOS} \starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS}
\startlanguage[fr] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{macOS} \stoplanguage \stopTEXpage \stoptext
But I’d say that \registerhyphenationexception[macOS] was language-independent for me some time ago. (Now it seems to work like \hyphenation.)
In any case, \registerhyphenationexception seems to have issues with ligatures:
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional] \registerhyphenationexception[steff-en macOS] \registerhyphenationexception[it][steff-en macOS]
\starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS}
\startlanguage[it] \currentlanguage: \hyphenatedword{steffen macOS} \stoplanguage \stopTEXpage \stoptext
If there isn’t a command to add language-indepented hyphenation exceptions or patterns, one for proper names (for people, products or companies) would be really useful.
Just in case Hans or other wizard may take a look at this,
Pablo
Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
no, because I'm in a different tex mode ...
Hans
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On 10/24/22 17:09, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:
[...] Hans, is there any news regarding Pablos wish?
no, because I'm in a different tex mode ...
Steffen,
meanwhile, a way of crappy cheating...
\setuphyphenation[method=traditional] \doloopoverlist{en,nl,de,es,it,fr,da,fi} {\registerhyphenationexception[\recursestring][Joha-nnes]} \starttext \startTEXpage[offset=1em] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \nl \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \de \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \es \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \language[it] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \language[fi] \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \fr \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \da \hyphenatedword{Johannes}\ \stopTEXpage \stoptext
Ugly code, but it might do the trick in some scenarios.
Just in case it might work,
Pablo
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