learning about the grid
Hi everyone, being a newbie I just discovered how different setups for the grid may affect my (very simple) document. In the Details manual (which of course I don't understand because of my unexperience) I read that many people don't use the grid, but when I configure grid=no the whole lines of a section are printed one over the other. Playing with the options and setupinterlinespace I got the unhappily desired 1.3ex that may school requieres for the teaching programs (grid=line, interlinespace=1.3ex), but I somehow feel that's not the right way to go. 1. Why are the lines printed one over the other when grid=no? how do profis then use context without grid? 2. Is there a document where I can read how the grid is conceived to work for the many options in a simple way? thanks in advance
On 11/19/23 13:27, Miguel Diaz wrote:
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Hi Miguel, I don’t use the grid. This is also the default in ConTeXt. I’m not sure whether I’m getting your point here. See what the difference between not enabling the grid and enabling it: \showframe\showgrid \setupwhitespace[medium] \starttext \input knuth \setuplayout[grid=yes]\page \input knuth \stoptext
1. Why are the lines printed one over the other when grid=no? how do profis then use context without grid?
As said, ConTeXt is \setuplayout[grid=no] by default. As far as I can recall it, the default value is \setupinterlinespace[line=2.85ex]. I have just discovered that with values such as line=1.3ex, \setuplayout[grid=yes] behaves very differently than with values such as line=2ex (and above). I mean, lines follow the grid when the text fits. See the difference with: \showframe\showgrid \setupinterlinespace[line=1.3ex] \starttext \dorecurse{25}{asa aeo eau} \setuplayout[grid=yes]\page \dorecurse{25}{asa aeo eau} \stoptext According to https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Grid_typesetting (feel free to improve the article), a way of solving this would be to wrap your stuff inside: \startlinecorrection ... \stoplinecorrection The problem is that your interline space is too small to prevent line collapsing. ex is the height of the lowercase 'x'. Are you sure that your school doesn’t require 1.3em (height of capital 'M') as interline space instead? You can get yourself the values: \starttext \the\exheight\\ %\the \dimexpr1.3\exheight\\ \the\emwidth \stoptext The first line will give you 1ex is about 5.7pt (with the default font used by ConTeXt). 1.3ex would be less than 6.75pt. The value of 1em is the value of the font size. Default for ConTeXt is 12pt, so 1em has to be 12pt. I think it is clear now that an interline space of 1.3ex calls for line overlapping. That being said, I don’t know why the grid avoids collapsing them (if the person explicitly asks for this).
2. Is there a document where I can read how the grid is conceived to work for the many options in a simple way?
See the wiki article above. The mailing list is also a way of getting help. One suggestion, please always provide a minimal working sample (that can be copied, pasted and compiled automatically), when you ask for help. How minimal? Well, they cannot lack essential parts to be compiled. Other than that, they should only contain required content to reproduce your issue. This minimal working sample helps the one who reads to understand what you are dealing with. Otherwise, it is really hard to understand which kind of issue you might be facing (consider that no one else may read your mind or be in front of your computer). I hope it might help, Pablo
Am 19.11.23 um 13:27 schrieb Miguel Diaz:
1. Why are the lines printed one over the other when grid=no? how do profis then use context without grid?
That usually only happens in one of the column modes that requires the grid. It doesn’t happen in usual one-column typesetting. There must be something wrong in your setup. Please make a minimal example (MWE).
2. Is there a document where I can read how the grid is conceived to work for the many options in a simple way?
AFAIK, the details manual is the only documentation for it. Hraban
Thanks, Pablo and Henning I suppose I am making a mistake with my setupinterlinearspace. My school asks for Times New Roman (I use termes) 12pt and onehalfspacing. In latex I used linespread{1.3} and so I supposed setting ConTeXt with setupinterlinearspace[1.3ex] was the right way (I read somewhere that vertical spaces should be measured in ex and horizontal spaces in em; maybe it's not widely accepted). I tried setting my interlinearspace to 3ex and it looked much better, but I must compare it with a onehalfspacing of wordprocessors to be sure it is not such different. Sorry for not providing an example (again my lack of experience), I will do it from now on. thanks, I will try to learn a little more to get an idea of how ConTeXt ist built
Am 19.11.23 um 23:17 schrieb madiazm.eoicc@gmail.com:
Thanks, Pablo and Henning
I suppose I am making a mistake with my setupinterlinearspace. My school asks for Times New Roman (I use termes) 12pt and onehalfspacing. In latex I used linespread{1.3} and so I supposed setting ConTeXt with setupinterlinearspace[1.3ex] was the right way (I read somewhere that vertical spaces should be measured in ex and horizontal spaces in em; maybe it's not widely accepted). I tried setting my interlinearspace to 3ex and it looked much better, but I must compare it with a onehalfspacing of wordprocessors to be sure it is not such different.
Sorry for not providing an example (again my lack of experience), I will do it from now on. thanks, I will try to learn a little more to get an idea of how ConTeXt ist built
It’s \setupinterlinespace, and the default is 2.8ex, so 1.3ex is too small. Try to understand https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Command/setupinterlinespace Hraban
On 11/19/23 23:17, madiazm.eoicc@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks, Pablo and Henning
I suppose I am making a mistake with my setupinterlinearspace. My school asks for Times New Roman (I use termes) 12pt and onehalfspacing. In latex I used linespread{1.3} and so I supposed setting ConTeXt with setupinterlinearspace[1.3ex] was the right way.
Hi Miguel, sorry, but I don’t have any idea what \linespread might mean for LaTeX in plain English. Some ConTeXt users may also use LaTeX too, but don’t rely on that.
(I read somewhere that vertical spaces should be measured in ex and horizontal spaces in em; maybe it's not widely accepted).
As far as I know, em is defined by the width of the capital 'M' and ex is defined by the height of the lowercase 'x'. With your requirements, I think it is easier to set line spacing to one and a half line with 1.5em, such as in: \setupbodyfont[termes] \starttext \the\exheight\\ \the\dimexpr3\exheight\\ \the\emwidth \the\dimexpr1.5\emwidth\\ \stoptext Just in case it might help, Pablo
madiazm.eoicc@gmail.com schrieb am 19.11.2023 um 23:17:
Thanks, Pablo and Henning
I suppose I am making a mistake with my setupinterlinearspace. My school asks for Times New Roman (I use termes) 12pt and onehalfspacing. In latex I used linespread{1.3} and so I supposed setting ConTeXt with setupinterlinearspace[1.3ex] was the right way (I read somewhere that vertical spaces should be measured in ex and horizontal spaces in em; maybe it's not widely accepted). I tried setting my interlinearspace to 3ex and it looked much better, but I must compare it with a onehalfspacing of wordprocessors to be sure it is not such different.
The unit ex uses the x-height value of the font as dimension, the x-height is the height of the lowercase x (actually it's a value in the font which is most cases equal to the height of the lowercase x) as can be seen in the output of the following example. \starttext \heightofstring{x} \the\exheight \stoptext To get one and a half line of interlinespace with ConTeXt you can set a fixed value with the \setupinterlinespace command. \setupinterlinespace[line=18pt] \showgrid \starttext \samplefile{lorem} \stoptext Wolfgang
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