[NTG Context] Storm (Lido) font support seems to be broken in newer versions of MKII

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Honza Pohanka

3 May 2010 3 May '10

2:09 p.m.

Hello, the Storm font support by Vit Zyka is broken in actual version of MKII. I spoke with him, but unfortunately he uses old version and does not have the time for updates. I discovered that renaming the enco-*.tex files to enco-*.mkii solves a part of the problem, but there still remains an issue with math typesetting. Context does not know many characters (\times, \neq, ...), boldmath etc. Typescripts looks OK and I don't know enough to look deeper. Could anyone help? greetings Jan -- Tato zpráva byla vytvořena převratným poštovním klientem Opery: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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Jan Pohanka

4 May 4 May

2:03 a.m.

Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport \mainlanguage[cz] \enableregime[il2] \useencoding[st2] \useencoding[st3] \usetypescriptfile[t-type-slido] \usetypescript[Lido][st2] \setupbodyfont[Lido,12pt] \starttext $$ 3 + 3 + 3 = 3^2 $$ % ok $$ a + b + c = d $$ % incorrect font $$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error $$ 1 \neq 2 $$ % error \formula[boldmath]{a^2+b^2=c^2} % don't work (not bold) \stoptext Jan Dne Mon, 03 May 2010 22:09:35 +0200 Honza Pohanka napsal(a):

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Hello, the Storm font support by Vit Zyka is broken in actual version of MKII. I spoke with him, but unfortunately he uses old version and does not have the time for updates. I discovered that renaming the enco-*.tex files to enco-*.mkii solves a part of the problem, but there still remains an issue with math typesetting. Context does not know many characters (\times, \neq, ...), boldmath etc. Typescripts looks OK and I don't know enough to look deeper. Could anyone help?

greetings Jan

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Jan Pohanka

8:05 a.m.

Dne Tue, 04 May 2010 10:03:05 +0200 Jan Pohanka napsal(a):

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

\mainlanguage[cz] \enableregime[il2] \useencoding[st2] \useencoding[st3] \usetypescriptfile[t-type-slido] \usetypescript[Lido][st2] \setupbodyfont[Lido,12pt] \starttext

$$ 3 + 3 + 3 = 3^2 $$ % ok $$ a + b + c = d $$ % incorrect font $$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error $$ 1 \neq 2 $$ % error

\formula[boldmath]{a^2+b^2=c^2} % don't work (not bold)

\stoptext

Jan

Dne Mon, 03 May 2010 22:09:35 +0200 Honza Pohanka napsal(a):

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Hello, the Storm font support by Vit Zyka is broken in actual version of MKII. I spoke with him, but unfortunately he uses old version and does not have the time for updates. I discovered that renaming the enco-*.tex files to enco-*.mkii solves a part of the problem, but there still remains an issue with math typesetting. Context does not know many characters (\times, \neq, ...), boldmath etc. Typescripts looks OK and I don't know enough to look deeper. Could anyone help?

greetings Jan

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Mojca Miklavec

12 May 12 May

12:36 p.m.

New subject: [NTG Context] Storm (Lido) font support seems to be broken in newer versions of MKII

2010/5/4 Jan Pohanka :

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

$$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error

Dear Jan, About the first problem that you are reporting: I don't understand what the "st" in t-math-sto.tex does. \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [st] ["0E] That is: I'm not sure if the "st" font is defined somewhere or not. (This is the first time that I see this.) The character is present in sldr6s.tfm at slot 0x0E. The font is defined as \definefontsynonym [MathStorm] [Lido-Math-Storm] \definefontsynonym [Lido-Math-Storm] [sldr6s] [encoding=st3] but I'm not sure how this maps to (or why it is supposed to map to) "[st]". Once this is resolved (once somebody explains me how the mapping is supposed to work), the problem with incorrect font will probably be solved simultaneously. (Boldmath is something that I never really understood when or why it works or doesn't work.) Mojca

Jan Pohanka

13 May 13 May

1:40 a.m.

Dne Wed, 12 May 2010 20:36:38 +0200 Mojca Miklavec napsal(a):

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2010/5/4 Jan Pohanka :

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

$$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error

Dear Jan,

About the first problem that you are reporting:

I don't understand what the "st" in t-math-sto.tex does. \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [st] ["0E]

The line \let\stfam\mcfam \let\hexstfam\hexmcfam should map the st math family to the mc family, maybe this is not working anymore. I have tried \definefamilysynonym [default] [st] [mc] but with no succes. Jan

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That is: I'm not sure if the "st" font is defined somewhere or not. (This is the first time that I see this.)

The character is present in sldr6s.tfm at slot 0x0E. The font is defined as \definefontsynonym [MathStorm] [Lido-Math-Storm] \definefontsynonym [Lido-Math-Storm] [sldr6s] [encoding=st3] but I'm not sure how this maps to (or why it is supposed to map to) "[st]".

Once this is resolved (once somebody explains me how the mapping is supposed to work), the problem with incorrect font will probably be solved simultaneously.

(Boldmath is something that I never really understood when or why it works or doesn't work.)

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Hans Hagen

2:59 a.m.

On 13-5-2010 9:40, Jan Pohanka wrote:

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Dne Wed, 12 May 2010 20:36:38 +0200 Mojca Miklavec napsal(a):

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2010/5/4 Jan Pohanka :

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

$$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error

Dear Jan,

About the first problem that you are reporting:

I don't understand what the "st" in t-math-sto.tex does. \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [st] ["0E]

The line \let\stfam\mcfam \let\hexstfam\hexmcfam should map the st math family to the mc family, maybe this is not working anymore. I have tried \definefamilysynonym [default] [st] [mc] but with no succes.

does \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [mc] ["0E] work? btw, in mkiv that will never work as we now only use two families, there one needs to make a lfg file as with the other type1 math fonts Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Jan Pohanka

3:23 a.m.

Dne Thu, 13 May 2010 10:59:14 +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):

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On 13-5-2010 9:40, Jan Pohanka wrote:

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Dne Wed, 12 May 2010 20:36:38 +0200 Mojca Miklavec napsal(a):

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2010/5/4 Jan Pohanka :

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

$$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error

Dear Jan,

About the first problem that you are reporting:

I don't understand what the "st" in t-math-sto.tex does. \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [st] ["0E]

The line \let\stfam\mcfam \let\hexstfam\hexmcfam should map the st math family to the mc family, maybe this is not working anymore. I have tried \definefamilysynonym [default] [st] [mc] but with no succes.

does \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [mc] ["0E] work?

No, it does not.

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btw, in mkiv that will never work as we now only use two families, there one needs to make a lfg file as with the other type1 math fonts

I know that mkiv could be better in this, but I'd like to have mkii working too. (Using of miktex (no lua) is one of the reasons).

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Hans

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Jan Pohanka

3:30 a.m.

I also uploaded the corresponding files including the free Lido font here for testing. http://neuron.feld.cvut.cz/LidoType1.zip Jan Dne Thu, 13 May 2010 10:59:14 +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):

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On 13-5-2010 9:40, Jan Pohanka wrote:

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Dne Wed, 12 May 2010 20:36:38 +0200 Mojca Miklavec napsal(a):

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2010/5/4 Jan Pohanka :

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

$$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error

Dear Jan,

About the first problem that you are reporting:

I don't understand what the "st" in t-math-sto.tex does. \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [st] ["0E]

The line \let\stfam\mcfam \let\hexstfam\hexmcfam should map the st math family to the mc family, maybe this is not working anymore. I have tried \definefamilysynonym [default] [st] [mc] but with no succes.

does \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [mc] ["0E] work?

btw, in mkiv that will never work as we now only use two families, there one needs to make a lfg file as with the other type1 math fonts

Hans

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Mojca Miklavec

6:53 a.m.

New subject: [NTG Context] Storm (Lido) font support seems to be broken in newer versions of MKII

2010/5/13 Jan Pohanka wrote:

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Dne Wed, 12 May 2010 20:36:38 +0200 Mojca Miklavec napsal(a):

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2010/5/4 Jan Pohanka :

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Minimal example is here and support files are attached. Original support can be downloaded here: http://modules.contextgarden.net/stormfontsupport

$$ 2 \times 2 $$ % error

Dear Jan,

About the first problem that you are reporting:

I don't understand what the "st" in t-math-sto.tex does. \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [st] ["0E]

The line \let\stfam\mcfam \let\hexstfam\hexmcfam should map the st math family to the mc family, maybe this is not working anymore. I have tried \definefamilysynonym [default] [st] [mc] but with no succes.

(A note to Hans: the question was about MKII. One would need to rewrite the whole typescript for MKIV, sure, but the first step might be to fix the almost-working MKII.) OK, I see. Replacing with ma/mc doesn't really have any effect. I won't pretend that I understand the math typescripts in details, but at least the following works. I'm not sure how exactly the last two arguments of \definetypeface [Lido] [mm] [math] [lido] [...] [...] work, but maybe something really subtle has changed in the meantime that nobody has noticed. \useencoding[st1] \startmathcollection[storm] \definemathsymbol [times] [bin] [ma] ["0E] \stopmathcollection \starttypescript [math] [lido] [all] \definefontsynonym [Lido-Math-Letters] [sldr8t]% [encoding=st1] \definefontsynonym [Lido-Math-Letters-Italic] [sldri8t]% [encoding=st1] \definefontsynonym [ComputerModernMath-Symbols] [cmsy10] \definefontsynonym [ComputerModernMath-Extension] [cmex10] \definefontsynonym [Lido-Math-Storm] [sldr6s]% [encoding=st1] \usemathcollection[storm] \loadmapfile[slido.map] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [math] [lido] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [Lido-Math-Letters] \definefontsynonym [MathItalic] [Lido-Math-Letters-Italic] \definefontsynonym [MathSymbol] [ComputerModernMath-Symbols] \definefontsynonym [MathExtension] [ComputerModernMath-Extension] \definefontsynonym [MathAlpha] [Lido-Math-Storm] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [math] [lido] [name] \usemathcollection[storm] \stoptypescript \starttypescript [Lido] [st1] % \definetypeface [Lido] [rm] [serif] [lido] [default] [encoding=\typescripttwo] % \definetypeface [Lido] [mm] [math] [lido] [storm] % [encoding=\typescripttwo] \definetypeface [Lido] [mm] [math] [lido] [default] [encoding=default] % [encoding=\typescripttwo] \stoptypescript \usetypescript[Lido][st1] \setupbodyfont[Lido,12pt] \starttext $ a + b + c = d \times 2$ \stoptext Mojca

Hans Hagen

7:09 a.m.

On 13-5-2010 2:53, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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(A note to Hans: the question was about MKII. One would need to rewrite the whole typescript for MKIV, sure, but the first step might be to fix the almost-working MKII.)

mostly stripping ... no encodings any more

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\usetypescript[Lido][st1] \setupbodyfont[Lido,12pt]

probably something with the filtering ... i don't remember drastic changes, but one never knows Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Honza Pohanka

9:13 a.m.

What does [mr] [mc] [ma] in mathcollection stands for? Jan Dne Thu, 13 May 2010 15:09:02 +0200 Hans Hagen napsal(a):

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On 13-5-2010 2:53, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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(A note to Hans: the question was about MKII. One would need to rewrite the whole typescript for MKIV, sure, but the first step might be to fix the almost-working MKII.)

mostly stripping ... no encodings any more

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\usetypescript[Lido][st1] \setupbodyfont[Lido,12pt]

probably something with the filtering ... i don't remember drastic changes, but one never knows

Hans

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Aditya Mahajan

11:40 a.m.

On Thu, 13 May 2010, Honza Pohanka wrote:

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What does [mr] [mc] [ma] in mathcollection stands for?

This is what I remember mr = Math Roman ma, mb, mc, md, me = Extra math families. The actual corresponance between ma etc and the fonts are set in a typescript. For example, \starttypescript [math] [<collection>] [size] \definebodyfont [<size>] [mm] [ma = <Font> sa 1] \stoptypescript here <collection> is something like default, ams, etc, which is the 4th argument of \definetypescript. \definetypescript[<name>] [math] [mm] [<collection>] [<encoding>] <size> is something like 10pt, etc. It can also be a list. <Font> is the name of the font that ma should stand for. Aditya

Jan Pohanka

14 May 14 May

2:32 a.m.

Hello, thanks all for help, the problem is solved now. Original Vit's support will work with two modifications. 1) enco-*.tex must be renamed to enco-*.mkii 2) contents of t-type-s*.tex must be enclosed to \starttypescriptcollection \stoptypescriptcollection the problem lied in the line \usetypescriptfile[t-type-sto] in t-type-slido.tex, cascading of \usetypescriptfile works only with typescriptcollection best regards Jan Dne Thu, 13 May 2010 19:40:02 +0200 Aditya Mahajan napsal(a):

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On Thu, 13 May 2010, Honza Pohanka wrote:

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What does [mr] [mc] [ma] in mathcollection stands for?

This is what I remember

mr = Math Roman

ma, mb, mc, md, me = Extra math families.

The actual corresponance between ma etc and the fonts are set in a typescript. For example,

\starttypescript [math] [<collection>] [size] \definebodyfont [<size>] [mm] [ma = <Font> sa 1] \stoptypescript

here <collection> is something like default, ams, etc, which is the 4th argument of \definetypescript.

\definetypescript[<name>] [math] [mm] [<collection>] [<encoding>]

<size> is something like 10pt, etc. It can also be a list.

<Font> is the name of the font that ma should stand for.

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Hans Hagen

13 May 13 May

2:19 p.m.

On 13-5-2010 5:13, Honza Pohanka wrote:

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What does [mr] [mc] [ma] in mathcollection stands for?

families mr == math roman : reserved for roman .. ma == math symbols a : normally ams a set mb == math symbols b : normally ams b set mc == math symbols c : free md == math symbols d : free ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hans Hagen

6 May 6 May

2:13 p.m.

On 3-5-2010 10:09, Honza Pohanka wrote:

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Hello, the Storm font support by Vit Zyka is broken in actual version of MKII. I spoke with him, but unfortunately he uses old version and does not have the time for updates. I discovered that renaming the enco-*.tex files to enco-*.mkii solves a part of the problem, but there still remains an issue with math typesetting. Context does not know many characters (\times, \neq, ...), boldmath etc. Typescripts looks OK and I don't know enough to look deeper. Could anyone help?

aren't there open type storm fonts? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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