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Idris Samawi Hamid

20 May 2007 20 May '07

6:52 p.m.

Dear syndicate, This is an ugly bug; The right kerning of the the numeral '1' is really bad: ======================= \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern typescript \usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [texnansi] \setupbodyfont[reset] \setupbodyfont[modern,11pt] \noheaderandfooterlines \starttext 1932 19 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 10 11 21 31 41 51 61 71 81 91 01 \stoptext ======================= pdf attached. Uses ConTeXt ver: 2007.04.26 Has anyone else noticed this? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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Taco Hoekwater

21 May 21 May

10:43 a.m.

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

Dear syndicate,

This is an ugly bug; The right kerning of the the numeral '1' is really bad:

The latin-modern-os typescript uses the widths of the table figures with the oldstyle shapes, because latin modern does not ship with correct metrics for oldstyle digits. Best wishes, Taco

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Idris Samawi Hamid

10:12 p.m.

On Mon, 21 May 2007 04:43:07 -0600, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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Dear syndicate,

This is an ugly bug; The right kerning of the the numeral '1' is really bad:

The latin-modern-os typescript uses the widths of the table figures with the oldstyle shapes, because latin modern does not ship with correct metrics for oldstyle digits.

So it's an lm bug then. Any possibility of getting it fixed, or sending the maintainers an urgent note (might be more effective coming from you or Hans)? I have a mission-critical job (journal) that has depended on old figures for years, and cm is legacy so this needs to be fixed... this job is due to the publisher this Thursday! Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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Taco Hoekwater

22 May 22 May

7:39 a.m.

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2007 04:43:07 -0600, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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Dear syndicate,

This is an ugly bug; The right kerning of the the numeral '1' is really bad: The latin-modern-os typescript uses the widths of the table figures with the oldstyle shapes, because latin modern does not ship with correct metrics for oldstyle digits.

So it's an lm bug then. Any possibility of getting it fixed, or sending the maintainers an urgent note (might be more effective coming from you or Hans)?

If you want these metrics, it makes sense to drop them a note. But no way are they going to create new metrics for you before next Thursday, so we had better come up with something else. I can create a bunch of metrics for you, but I do not have time to create hundreds of these by hand, so tell me: are you using 'modern-base, texnansi' in your actual project as well? Taco

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Idris Samawi Hamid

2:49 p.m.

Hi Taco, On Tue, 22 May 2007 01:39:55 -0600, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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This is an ugly bug; The right kerning of the the numeral '1' is really bad: The latin-modern-os typescript uses the widths of the table figures with the oldstyle shapes, because latin modern does not ship with correct metrics for oldstyle digits.

So it's an lm bug then. Any possibility of getting it fixed, or sending the maintainers an urgent note (might be more effective coming from you or Hans)?

If you want these metrics, it makes sense to drop them a note. But no way are they going to create new metrics for you before next Thursday, so we had better come up with something else. I can create a bunch of metrics for you, but I do not have time to create hundreds of these by hand, so tell me: are you using 'modern-base, texnansi' in your actual project as well?

Here is my exact setup for the project: ===================== \usetypescript[serif,sans,mono][hanging][hz,normal] \setupalign[hz,hanging] \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern typescript \usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [texnansi] \setupbodyfont[reset] \setupbodyfont[modern,11pt] ===================== 2 problems: i) bad kerning (subject of this thread); ii) \type gives way to complaints about missing numerals in lmtt10 (see other thread "oldstyle bug"). Apparently the <numeral>.oldstyle glyphs have been renamed <numeral>.taoldstyle. WHY ON EARTH would they do that?!? Didn't the maintainers realize this would break things? It certainly makes encoding font collections more difficult. This is a journal so I need to maintain consistency: can't go back to upright. Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

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Taco Hoekwater

7:34 p.m.

New subject: Latin Modern bug in lm-texnansi-os.enc

Hi Jacko, On the ConTeXT mailing list, Idris posted some messages because he was trying to use oldstyle numerals in the latest Latin Modern release, and was experiencing two pretty big problems: * really bad kerning around the oldstyle numerals * pdftex generated errors for the typewriter fonts, complaining "glyph `one.oldstyle' undefined" etc. The implementation of 'automatic' oldstyle numbers in ConTeXt uses a set of encoding files that used to ship with LM (lm-xxxxxx-os.enc). By way of a map file fragment, this allows to switch the fonts 'en masse' from lining to oldstyle (and back) without the need for special metric files, which is a pretty nice feature. Those encoding files now apparently obsolete: they still refer to glyphs named e.g. `one.oldstyle', whereas in the current release of the LM fonts it really should be `one.taboldstyle'. While writing a bug report, I noticed that these encoding files are no longer in the font distribution (They are still included on texlive2007, but I don't know if anybody except ConTeXt attempts to use them). Is this trick to get oldstyle now officially unsupported? That would be a shame, because there are no oldstyle-using TFM files in the LM distribution either ... Best wishes, Taco

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Aditya Mahajan

11:40 p.m.

On Tue, 22 May 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

Hi Taco,

On Tue, 22 May 2007 01:39:55 -0600, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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This is an ugly bug; The right kerning of the the numeral '1' is really bad: The latin-modern-os typescript uses the widths of the table figures with the oldstyle shapes, because latin modern does not ship with correct metrics for oldstyle digits.

So it's an lm bug then. Any possibility of getting it fixed, or sending the maintainers an urgent note (might be more effective coming from you or Hans)?

If you want these metrics, it makes sense to drop them a note. But no way are they going to create new metrics for you before next Thursday, so we had better come up with something else. I can create a bunch of metrics for you, but I do not have time to create hundreds of these by hand, so tell me: are you using 'modern-base, texnansi' in your actual project as well?

Here is my exact setup for the project:

===================== \usetypescript[serif,sans,mono][hanging][hz,normal] \setupalign[hz,hanging] \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern typescript \usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [texnansi] \setupbodyfont[reset] \setupbodyfont[modern,11pt] =====================

2 problems:

i) bad kerning (subject of this thread);

ii) \type gives way to complaints about missing numerals in lmtt10 (see other thread "oldstyle bug"). Apparently the <numeral>.oldstyle glyphs have been renamed <numeral>.taoldstyle. WHY ON EARTH would they do that?!? Didn't the maintainers realize this would break things? It certainly makes encoding font collections more difficult.

This is a journal so I need to maintain consistency: can't go back to upright.

Maybe as a temporary workaround, try to get old lmodern files and use them instead. I do not know if they are archived somewhere or not. Aditya

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