On 2012-01-19 Kip Warner wrote:

On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 09:23 +0100, luigi scarso wrote:

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ConTeXt uses inkscape, iirc. So try to see what inkscape says about your file.

Are you sure about that?

Yes: strace -f context t 2>&1 >/dev/null | grep inkscape | grep execve […] [pid 14816] execve("/usr/bin/inkscape", ["inkscape", "/home/marco/Temp/fig.svg", "--export-dpi=600", "-A", "/home/marco/Temp/m_k_i_v_fi"...], […]

ConTeXt doesn't seem to list inkscape as a dependency on my distro:

Inkscape should not be a dependency of ConTeXt. 99.9% work very well without inkscape. But it could be mentioned as a “Recommendation”, as a hint that its installation would increase the functionality.

apt-cache show context* | grep -i inkscape (gives nothing)

Blame the distributor. Marco

On 20-1-2012 01:51, Marco wrote:

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ConTeXt doesn't seem to list inkscape as a dependency on my distro:

Inkscape should not be a dependency of ConTeXt. 99.9% work very well without inkscape. But it could be mentioned as a “Recommendation”, as a hint that its installation would increase the functionality.

There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 21-1-2012 00:05, Kip Warner wrote:

On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

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There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint.

So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes?

no, png, jpg and pdf are supported directly (as is mp) but fo rother formats it will either try to find a replacement (there is a whole chain of lookups) or it will try to run one of the configured converters ... with \enabletrackers[graphics.*] you can see what happens ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 21-1-2012 01:12, luigi scarso wrote:

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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On 21-1-2012 00:05, Kip Warner wrote:

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On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 10:08 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

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There is no such depedency .. actually, i found it rather impossible to get an inkscape running on a headless linux box as there is some depedency on X (last time I tried). In a similar fashion there is no dependency on GhostScript or GraphicMagick or Zint.

So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes?

no, png, jpg and pdf are supported directly (as is mp) but fo rother formats it will either try to find a replacement (there is a whole chain of lookups) or it will try to run one of the configured converters ... with

and swf, even if I have not full tested (basically you can test only with acroreader 10)

sure, a few of those 'supported media types' are also dealt with (in fact I think that one can embed svg in a pdf document given some plugin Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 2012-01-20 Kip Warner wrote:

So what does ConTeXt do when it typesets an \externalfigure? Does it always use inkscape, or only sometimes?

If the image type is supported by the TeX engine (jpeg, png, pdf, mps) it is directly included. SVG files inkscape is called to convert the SVG to PDF. For EPS images ghostscript is used: strace results: execve("/usr/bin/gs", ["gs", "-q", "-sDEVICE=pdfwrite", "-dNOPAUSE", "-dNOCACHE", "-dBATCH", "-dAutoRotatePages=/None", "-dPDFSETTINGS=/prepress", "-dEPSCrop", "-sOutputFile=m_k_i_v_graph.pdf", "graph.eps", "-c", "quit"], [/* 55 vars */]) Marco

On Thu 19 Jan 2012, Kip Warner wrote:

Hey Peter. The original SVG is about 7KB. With rasterize off and exported to PDF, its under 2KB. With rasterize on, its still only 78KB. Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. Something's up.

What happens if you convert it directly using inkscape --export-pdf? Pont

On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 01:23, Kip Warner wrote:

On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 13:07 +1300, Pontus Lurcock wrote:

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What happens if you convert it directly using inkscape --export-pdf?

Still only 78 KB.

Does it come out the way you expect it to? If yes, use that. None of my tools are able to export this into an usable PDF (I didn't try to install Inkscape though). But it is also true that I'm not 100 % sure if PDF knows anything about the "gaussian blur". Mojca

On Fri, 2012-01-20 at 01:45 +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

Does it come out the way you expect it to? If yes, use that.

Visually, yes, it's fine. In terms of size, no its not the way I expect.

None of my tools are able to export this into an usable PDF (I didn't try to install Inkscape though). But it is also true that I'm not 100 % sure if PDF knows anything about the "gaussian blur".

I think you've hit the nail on the head. I think the problem is the PDF format chokes on the Gaussian blur and so it has to rasterize it. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com

On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 21:13 -0300, Wagner Macedo wrote:

It would be good if you attach the svg file.

Could you do this?

Hey Wagner. No problem. http://www.thevertigo.com/temp/Pic.svg Try typesetting it with an \externalfigure and check the file size of the intermediate that's generated. -- Kip Warner -- Software Engineer OpenPGP encrypted/signed mail preferred http://www.thevertigo.com

Am 20.01.2012 um 01:01 schrieb Kip Warner:

On Thu, 2012-01-19 at 11:58 +0100, Peter Rolf wrote:

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Probably because the exported PDF contains a raster image (at least the blured part). If you use Inkscape to save your SVG logo as PDF, you will see a dialog box with an option for this (rasterize filter effects). Remove the hook and you'll get a small, but unblured PDF graphic.

Hey Peter. The original SVG is about 7KB. With rasterize off and exported to PDF, its under 2KB. With rasterize on, its still only 78KB. Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf. Something's up.

When you look into graph-inc.lua you can see that context use inkscape <oldname> --export-dpi=600 -A <newname> to convert the svg to pdf. Wolfgang

On 2012-01-19 Kip Warner wrote:

Whatever ConTeXt is doing with it, that 7KB SVG gets bloated to nearly a meg at 976KB. This happens as Logo.svg is transformed into intermediate m_k_i_v_Logo.pdf.

I had similar issues some weeks ago. A workaround was to use \pdfcompresslevel9 You can also try \maximumpdfcompression, which is apparently preferred (see some recent thread on the list). Marco

On 2012-01-19 Kip Warner wrote:

On a related note, what is the difference between these three statements?

\setupbackend[level=9]

I have no idea, I never used it.

\pdfcompresslevel9

AFAIK it compresses the text objects. 9 is maximum compression. It's a low level command.

\maximumpdfcompression

\normalprotected\def\maximumpdfcompression{% \pdfobjcompresslevel\plusnine \pdfcompresslevel\plusnine } Sets the text and object compression to the maximum value (which is 9). The command is considered to be a higher level command, see http://archive.contextgarden.net/message/20111229.184755.b0199f53.en.html Marco