New ConTeXt cz interface installation problem
Dear friends,
I apologize that I have recently sent message to this list only when
I've got some problems. Nontheless I need to keep this tradition. :-( I
tried to install the newest ConTeXt over the TexLive 9/2003. All was
perfect except the Czech interface. I've got a strange error. What
should I do to improve it?
My system is this:
* SuSE Linux 9.1
* TeX Live + CTAN 9/2003
* pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2)
* ConTeXt ver: 2004.12.06 fmt: 2005.1.11 int: english mes: english
* TeXExec 5.2.3 - ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997-2004
The excerpt from the log file is this:
language : patterns for cz not loaded
language : patterns for hr not loaded
language : patterns for pl not loaded
language : patterns for sk not loaded
encoding : coding fde is loaded
(/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/context/base/enco-fde.tex
Michal Kvasnicka wrote:
I apologize that I have recently sent message to this list only when I've got some problems. Nontheless I need to keep this tradition. :-( I tried to install the newest ConTeXt over the TexLive 9/2003. All was perfect except the Czech interface. I've got a strange error. What should I do to improve it?
My system is this: * SuSE Linux 9.1 * TeX Live + CTAN 9/2003 * pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 (Web2C 7.5.2) * ConTeXt ver: 2004.12.06 fmt: 2005.1.11 int: english mes: english (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/generic/hyphen/skhyph.tex (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/csplain/t1code.tex Font encoding set to Cork.)
first of all, fetch a context zip from our website (or grab the minimal context distribution for linux, you can use that one alongside other trees if needed)
The \^, \`, \', \v, \" and \r expands to characters by Cork. (/usr/TeX/texmf/tex/csplain/skhyphen.tex ! Duplicate pattern. l.29 a1
I am quite desperate so I will be thankfull for any hint.
the integration of czech/slovak patterns in tex live is a mess, and among the reasons for problems you will find: - files not in the right places (generic hyphen paths) - using non standard names (*hyphen where oithers use *hyph) - combined with a latex depency (in the *hyph ones) in spite of what you may think, tex distributions are not upward compatible, and fonts and patterns are among the troublemakers. In your case: locate [cont-usr or so] where context tries to load czhyph and replace that by czhyphen; same for sk* (so, contrary to other languages, czech/slovak had the pattersn in the *hyphen files); in your current setup something "t1code.tex" is loaded and i don't even want to think about what interference can come from that -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Many thanks for your answer. I will try to follow your advices. As for TeX distributions, I'm getting desperate. I had to switch to TeXLive from teTeX, because 1) it didn't work with tha last version of ConTeXt I tried to install, and 2) in SuSE 9.1 mktexlsr doesn't work in the teTeX. Now I can see that the TeXLive is not better at all. Moreover, I don't understand why there are three different texmf directories. :-( What distribution of TeX should I use? Does your minimal TeX distribution support plain/LaTeX (for those rare cases I need to use them)? Well, I will see at the night. :-) Many thanks once more. Your thankful Michal Kvasnicka
Michal Kvasnicka wrote:
Many thanks for your answer. I will try to follow your advices.
As for TeX distributions, I'm getting desperate. I had to switch to TeXLive from teTeX, because 1) it didn't work with tha last version of ConTeXt I tried to install, and 2) in SuSE 9.1 mktexlsr doesn't work in the teTeX. Now I can see that the TeXLive is not better at all. Moreover, I don't understand why there are three different texmf directories. :-( What distribution of TeX should I use? Does your minimal TeX distribution support plain/LaTeX (for those rare cases I need to use them)? Well, I will see at the night. :-)
in that case, just download the minimal context distribution for linux, you can rsync that one of needed (some 25 meg zip initially) in there, there is "setuptex", run that one (with the tex root as arg) and make the formats texexec --make --all will give you all languages, including czech Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 12:41:14PM +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:
the integration of czech/slovak patterns in tex live is a mess, and among the reasons for problems you will find:
- files not in the right places (generic hyphen paths) - using non standard names (*hyphen where oithers use *hyph) - combined with a latex depency (in the *hyph ones)
in spite of what you may think, tex distributions are not upward compatible, and fonts and patterns are among the troublemakers.
In your case: locate [cont-usr or so] where context tries to load czhyph and replace that by czhyphen; same for sk* (so, contrary to other languages, czech/slovak had the pattersn in the *hyphen files); in your current setup something "t1code.tex" is loaded and i don't even want to think about what interference can come from that -)
Hello, just a comment. In TeXlive2003, czhyph.tex contains first \ifx\addlanguage\undefined \errmessage{This file can be used only in babelised formats!} \fi to test if the format is babelised. If the test succeeds it just reads czhyphen.tex. I asked Petr Olsak either to remove this stupid test from that file or to add a test for ConTeXt. We prepared a hack that I tried to propagate into TeXlive, but after asking several times on texlive mailing list I gave up. After reading a discussion on LaTeX Czech support (and its backwards compatibility) in the CSTUG mailing list, I like ConTeXt way of multilanguage support even more :-) The path of least resistence is probably to make cont-usr.tex to point directly to the actual position of czhyphen.tex directly :-(, sigh... Yours, D.A. -- Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
David Antos wrote:
just a comment. In TeXlive2003, czhyph.tex contains first
\ifx\addlanguage\undefined \errmessage{This file can be used only in babelised formats!} \fi
Well, I forgot to say that I commented these lines. :-) As for the rest, I think ConTeXt is as superior to LaTeX as an herd of buldozers is to a child trowel in digging. :-) Many thanks to you both for your help. M.K.
David Antos wrote:
The path of least resistence is probably to make cont-usr.tex to point directly to the actual position of czhyphen.tex directly :-(, sigh...
indeed, sigh ... a problem is that users keep their own cont-usr file and changes in names like that are then up to the user; i could add this to the kernel \definefilesynonym [czhyph.pat] [czhyphen.tex] % safeguard \definefilesynonym [skhyph.pat] [skhyphen.tex] % safeguard but then we end up with all kind of fuzzy code similar problems showed last year when the us hyphen filename was changed, (on some systems the alias file handled that, but who knows about that one) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Good afternoon. I have to apologize for making a mess here. The problem I have refered the last week was not caused by ConTeXt, nor by TeXLive (at least not directly), but by my own stupidness. When I deleted the old ConTeXt from the TeXLive directory tree, I didn't deleted old file cont-usr.tex which was placed in some absurd distant directory I had not expected. So I apologize. But anyway, your hints helped me to find this problem---I would be otherwise probably able to find it out. BTW, can someone explain me what is the logic behind the TeXLive directory tree? Why isn't so simple as the old teTeX was? Why some configuraton files are there two or three times, sometimes with different content? :-( Is somewhere an explanation of these wonders? :-( With many greetings and once more apologizing your Michal Kvasnicka
Michal Kvasnicka wrote:
BTW, can someone explain me what is the logic behind the TeXLive directory tree? Why isn't so simple as the old teTeX was? Why some configuraton files are there two or three times, sometimes with different content? :-( Is somewhere an explanation of these wonders? :-(
Hard to explain ... it's partly related to - tds: formal tex directory structure - tetex: basis for tex live, but not always following tds - texlive: being meant for all platforms all those trees are plagued by history, recently there have been fundamental changes, like the move of enc / map / pdftex / etex / scripts and other subpath, while others were not reorganized due to whatever historic reason [dvips vs pdftex vs generic], or not implemented because it was too difficult to implement [web2c engine subpath] or because the author was not willing to participate (czech stuff), or because programs were changed (no cfg file pdftex, pdftex main engine) for etc etc; other reason are: different platforms installers demand different structure (either or no symlinks, either or not uninstall, etc) and all those gpl licences demand source code to be present (depending on what is considered to besource code) which may lead to things being present multiple times; of course also files change place with no real reason, like some fonts, that are present now, absent then, present again some time, etc [it sounds awful, but it's kind of standard and unavoidable for all things big and complex, installing windows, linux, or whatever, no matter how hard one tries, there will always be some mess, it just comes with the complexity] Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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