Hi everybody, I am trying to get into Context again. The documentation seems to be somewhat better than one year ago (my last attempt) but still very suboptimal. Many information (as well on Contextgarden as on Pragma) is outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the "first document" on the context wiki does not mention mkiv (ok, at least now there is a hint that something should be done about that). For a newbie like me, the best chance of information seems to be the mailing-list, where one can find a lot of gems. After spending this cold and snowy sunday afternoon with the mailing-list (and i got no further than to september 2010) I am wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums. I think in a forum the acces to the relavant information could be very quicklier than in a Mailing-List - which is in my opinion a relict of the information possibilities of the 1990 (last century, only a minute away from the middle ages :-). Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient possibilities. Any suggestions on that? Thanks, Achim
On 12-12-2010 7:11, Achim Jander wrote:
outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the
fyi: http://www.pragma-ade.com/general/manuals/xml-mkiv.pdf is not that old and describes mkiv xml support the 2001 doc describes mkii xml support and not much has changed with that (so no reason to update a manual) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
I'm around since prehistoric times, before internet, before wifi, before TeX... So, what is the difference between a "forum" and threads on a mailing list? After all, the mailing list is archived (like a forum) and is searchable. In fact, a google search on typesetting keywords often comes-up with the ConTeXt mailing list - evidence of its activity! I do not like/use forums, as they require going to some web site and choosing a category, often badly structured, and thus opaque. Would a ConTeXt forum present any advantages over the mailing list? Alan On Sunday 12 December 2010 19:11:09 Achim Jander wrote:
Hi everybody, I am trying to get into Context again. The documentation seems to be somewhat better than one year ago (my last attempt) but still very suboptimal. Many information (as well on Contextgarden as on Pragma) is outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the "first document" on the context wiki does not mention mkiv (ok, at least now there is a hint that something should be done about that). For a newbie like me, the best chance of information seems to be the mailing-list, where one can find a lot of gems. After spending this cold and snowy sunday afternoon with the mailing-list (and i got no further than to september 2010) I am wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums. I think in a forum the acces to the relavant information could be very quicklier than in a Mailing-List - which is in my opinion a relict of the information possibilities of the 1990 (last century, only a minute away from the middle ages :-). Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient possibilities. Any suggestions on that? Thanks, Achim
On 12-12-2010 7:43, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
I do not like/use forums, as they require going to some web site and choosing a category, often badly structured, and thus opaque. Would a ConTeXt forum present any advantages over the mailing list?
Not for me as I have no time to keep eyes on forums and it would cost me way too much time to use them. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On 12/13/2010 09:27 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:
On 12-12-2010 7:43, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
I do not like/use forums, as they require going to some web site and choosing a category, often badly structured, and thus opaque. Would a ConTeXt forum present any advantages over the mailing list?
Not for me as I have no time to keep eyes on forums and it would cost me way too much time to use them.
Not for me either. I keep track of tex.stackexchange.com, though. Best wishes, Taco
On Sun, Dec 12 2010, Achim Jander wrote:
Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient possibilities.
I think, the efficiency of mailing-list or forum depends on the tools you use. For me, a mailing-list is much more efficient, because I can use my favorite tools (editor, MUA, mail-filter, search-tools, spell-checker, etc.). For a forum, I would depend on the web-browser (less efficient for me). The other question is: "Forum _and_ mailing-list" or "forum _instead_ of mailing-list"? In the first case, you could divide users and developers perhaps into 2 groups, only some of them would monitor both, list _and_ forum. The second case is probably not an option. See also the related thread about a German ConTeXt Initiative: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2010/047755.html I don't know, if this forum still exists. Peter -- Contact information: http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/
Am 12.12.2010 um 20:02 schrieb Peter Münster:
See also the related thread about a German ConTeXt Initiative: http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2010/047755.html I don't know, if this forum still exists.
It does exist but nothing happened there since two months. Mojca set up another official forum [1] but it’s dead since the beginning. If there is interest on a forum people can use this. [1] http://community.contextgarden.net/ Wolfgang
Try the mailing list as carried by gmane.org Joh Achim Jander wrote:
Hi everybody, I am trying to get into Context again. The documentation seems to be somewhat better than one year ago (my last attempt) but still very suboptimal. Many information (as well on Contextgarden as on Pragma) is outdated, for example, the xml document on Pragma is dated 2001, the "first document" on the context wiki does not mention mkiv (ok, at least now there is a hint that something should be done about that). For a newbie like me, the best chance of information seems to be the mailing-list, where one can find a lot of gems. After spending this cold and snowy sunday afternoon with the mailing-list (and i got no further than to september 2010) I am wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums. I think in a forum the acces to the relavant information could be very quicklier than in a Mailing-List - which is in my opinion a relict of the information possibilities of the 1990 (last century, only a minute away from the middle ages :-). Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient possibilities. Any suggestions on that? Thanks, Achim
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On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Achim Jander wrote:
Dont get me wrong, I like the unbelievable support which is done on the mailing-list, but i think today there could be more efficient possibilities. Any suggestions on that?
You can try tex.stackexchange.com, a stack stack-overflow-like site dedicated to TeX. There are a few ConTeXt related posts there. I find it good for small questions, but it does not allow you to attach files, so it is limiting. Moreover, the support on any forum or mailing list is only as good as its members. The good thing about the context mailing list is that the ConTeXt developers and power users read it, and reply to questions. Unless the same happens for online forums, they will have limited utility. Aditya
wondering why there ist no forum for Context. I spend a lot of time getting into new themes, and I always like the functions of forums.
What functions do you miss?
Have you tried the gmane mirror?
You can configure your newsreader to be coloured like a forum.
Some even support to exchange smileys to icons.
If you like to have a signature, you can write a line below "-- "
If you want to show your avatar/face to the world
you can use xface.
Its a evidence of good technology, that mailinglists and newsserver
still live in professional area after more then 20 years.
choose your favourite one here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Usenet_newsreaders
Kind regards,
--
Jonas Stein
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