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Garulfo

22 May 2020 22 May '20

9:42 p.m.

Hi all, thanks for your encouraging feedbacks. 1/ Concerning the Manuals Page - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails of the oldest manuals. - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one. - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page. 2/ After the Manuals, please find a proposal for the Welcome Page, which is probably trickier - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current) - 4 objectives : 1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text, 2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15 topics, 3/ but hold in one (big) screen, 4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page, 5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure. Again, depending on your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it. It's built from scripts ==> not too hard now to reorder, to adapt. Best

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Hans Hagen

22 May 22 May

10:08 p.m.

On 5/22/2020 11:42 PM, Garulfo wrote:

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Hi all,

thanks for your encouraging feedbacks.

1/ Concerning the Manuals Page - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails of the oldest manuals. - About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.

- If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.

probbaly no one knows this but there is real old feature

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mtxrun --launch --pattern=luametafun.pdf mtxrun | launching: c:/data/develop/tex-context/tex/texmf-context/doc/context/documents/general/manuals/luametafun.pdf

i could probably extend that with a list option (there is actually a xml file that describes the manuals as on the website ... it's used in generating the website which happens every update - from also rather ancient xml files) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Aditya Mahajan

10:35 p.m.

On Fri, 22 May 2020, Garulfo wrote:

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Hi all,

thanks for your encouraging feedbacks.

1/ Concerning the Manuals Page - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails of the oldest manuals.

Looks good. A few minor comments: I haven't tested it, but the natural tables in context examples (in Sec 3.6) should still work with latest versions. The "context rehab for amsmath addicts" should be in math (or sciences) rather than tables. (This reminds me, I should update that reference).

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- About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one.

- If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.

One concern that I have is how easy it is to navigate the page on the phone. Currently, it does not really work on the phone. Is there some way to make it more responsive?

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2/ After the Manuals, please find a proposal for the Welcome Page, which is probably trickier

- https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current)

- 4 objectives : 1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text,

Some of us prefer text. What was earlier a one step process for me (go to home page, search for keyword, go to page), is now a two step process. But I agree that the new proposed layout is more friendly to new users and support it.

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2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15 topics, 3/ but hold in one (big) screen,

This looks more reasonable on the phone. The 2nd half of the page looks okay, but the first half still looks weird (too narrow and long columns). Perhaps there is a way to may it a bit more responsive on the phone.

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4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page, 5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts ==> not too hard now to reorder, to adapt.

You should also document your work flow somewhere (perhaps the talk page of the same page or a dedicated page on the wiki). That is useful for long term maintainability of the wiki. Aditya

Garulfo

23 May 23 May

4:40 p.m.

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1/ Concerning the Manuals Page - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails of the oldest manuals. Looks good. A few minor comments: I haven't tested it, but the natural tables in context examples (in Sec 3.6) should still work with latest versions. The "context rehab for amsmath addicts" should be in math (or sciences) rather than tables. (This reminds me, I should update that reference).

Both corrections are made, thanks for your help.

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- About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one. - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.

One concern that I have is how easy it is to navigate the page on the phone. Currently, it does not really work on the phone. Is there some way to make it more responsive?

Thanks again, of primary importance. Should be far better now (quickly checked on two smartphones, one android and one ios)

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2/ After the Manuals, please find a proposal for the Welcome Page, which is probably trickier - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current) - 4 objectives : 1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text, Some of us prefer text. What was earlier a one step process for me (go to home page, search for keyword, go to page), is now a two step process. But I agree that the new proposed layout is more friendly to new users and support it.

Yes, I suspected that the current version had advantages as a result of past iterations. It would be interesting to identify the links that people want to access in one step. We can list them in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Talk:Main_Page_TempProposal, and I will try to find ways to integrate them.

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2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15 topics, 3/ but hold in one (big) screen, This looks more reasonable on the phone. The 2nd half of the page looks okay, but the first half still looks weird (too narrow and long

columns). Perhaps there is a way to may it a bit more responsive on the phone.

See above, should be far better now.

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4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page, 5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts ==> not too hard now to reorder, to adapt. You should also document your work flow somewhere (perhaps the talk page of the same page or a dedicated page on the wiki). That is useful for long term maintainability of the wiki.

Done: two zip files are uploaded, with link and brief description in the Talk zone of the respective pages.

Aditya Mahajan

24 May 24 May

2:06 a.m.

On Sat, 23 May 2020, Garulfo wrote:

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1/ Concerning the Manuals Page - As proposed, "obsolete banners" are added to thumbnails of the oldest manuals. Looks good. A few minor comments: I haven't tested it, but the natural tables in context examples (in Sec 3.6) should still work with latest versions. The "context rehab for amsmath addicts" should be in math (or sciences) rather than tables. (This reminds me, I should update that reference).

Both corrections are made, thanks for your help.

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- About providing zips of manuals per topics: maybe we could just add a index.html in the distribution structure, to provide the user with a browsing system similar to the wiki's one. - If the admistrators wish, I can now replace the current page.

One concern that I have is how easy it is to navigate the page on the phone. Currently, it does not really work on the phone. Is there some way to make it more responsive?

Thanks again, of primary importance.

Should be far better now (quickly checked on two smartphones, one android and one ios)

Thanks. Both pages look good on mobile now. I am okay with merging this with the old manuals page. A small suggestion is that we could omit the table of content on this page, as it is almost redundant in the new format.

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2/ After the Manuals, please find a proposal for the Welcome Page, which is probably trickier - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page_TempProposal - https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Main_Page (the current) - 4 objectives : 1/ do something more visual, reduce the amount of text, Some of us prefer text. What was earlier a one step process for me (go to home page, search for keyword, go to page), is now a two step process. But I agree that the new proposed layout is more friendly to new users and support it.

Yes, I suspected that the current version had advantages as a result of past iterations.

It would be interesting to identify the links that people want to access in one step. We can list them in https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Talk:Main_Page_TempProposal, and I will try to find ways to integrate them.

Personally, I don't think that it is a big deal.

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2/ provide a fairly comprehensive overview with less than 15 topics, 3/ but hold in one (big) screen, 4/ avoid redundancies on the Welcome Page, 5/ match both the Wiki's structure & the Manuals' structure.

Again, depending on your feedbacks, I would be happy to improve it.

It's built from scripts ==> not too hard now to reorder, to adapt. You should also document your work flow somewhere (perhaps the talk page of the same page or a dedicated page on the wiki). That is useful for long term maintainability of the wiki.

Done: two zip files are uploaded, with link and brief description in the Talk zone of the respective pages.

Thanks. I am okay with changing the main page as well. But since this is the main page, let's wait for the other mods to chime in as well. Aditya

Henning Hraban Ramm

8:53 a.m.

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Am 24.05.2020 um 04:06 schrieb Aditya Mahajan :

I am okay with changing the main page as well. But since this is the main page, let's wait for the other mods to chime in as well.

Am I a mod? Just a frequent contributor, I guess... I like the new main page, it looks very friendly. Myself I never look a lot at the main page but use the search or type the URL directly, since I usually know what I’m looking for... Thanks for the efforts though! Hraban

Taco Hoekwater

25 May 25 May

7:28 a.m.

Hi, I like the new page layout. It is a big improvement structurally, and great work! Best wishes, Taco

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On 24 May 2020, at 10:53, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 24.05.2020 um 04:06 schrieb Aditya Mahajan :

I am okay with changing the main page as well. But since this is the main page, let's wait for the other mods to chime in as well.

Am I a mod? Just a frequent contributor, I guess...

I like the new main page, it looks very friendly. Myself I never look a lot at the main page but use the search or type the URL directly, since I usually know what I’m looking for...

Thanks for the efforts though!

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