hi folks. I'm still in the process of debugging this (so details and a minimal example aren't ready yet), but I'm wondering if anyone knows of circumstances that would cause table and figure numbers to be out-of- order and swapped. For example, the numbers from my \placelistoftables run in this order: 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.6 8.7 8.5 8.9 8.10 8.11 8.12 8.10 *** **** While \placelistoffigures gives 8.1 8.2 8.3 8.5 8.8 8.6 8.7 8.8 8.9 8.13 *** **** This is disturbing and hard to debug. The person whose thesis this is didn't make it easy, with very long and minimally different identifiers. I've tried purging the directory, including making sure the .tuo file is completely rebuilt. I've tried changing reference names, and it *has* had an effect on the order, but it hasn't fixed it yet. I'm trying to avoid panic, but the doctoral thesis where we're running into this needs to be bound on thursday. :) thanks for any hints, adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Computing Dept, Lancaster University +44(0)1524/594.537 Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/593.608 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-