Greetings, TABLE uses framed extensively to make its cells. it adds all sorts of offsets and paddings (especially vertical) to cells that annoy me greatly. i'd like to set up TABLEs to have the same vertical spacing as a regular tabulate table or even halign, but i keep getting lost in the options for both TABLE and framed. which ones do i need? i'd like it to play nice with interline spacing options as well. MWE: % === mwe start === \startsetups document:start \setupinterlinespace[line=3.5ex] \stopsetups %\showboxes \startdocument \startcolumns[n=4] text\blank[none] more text\blank[none] \columnbreak \unprotect \halign{% \hss#\tabskip=1em&\tabskip=0pt#\cr text&more text\cr more text&text\cr }% \protect \columnbreak \starttabulate[|r|l|] \NC text \NC more text \NC\AR \NC more text \NC text \NC\AR \stoptabulate \columnbreak \start \setupTABLE[column][1][align=flushright]% \setupTABLE[column][2][align=flushleft]% \bTABLE \bTR \bTD text \eTD \bTD more text \eTD \eTR \bTR \bTD more text \eTD \bTD text \eTD \eTR \eTABLE \stop \stopcolumns \stopdocument % === mwe end === Kirill