Re: [NTG-context] Bibliography: criterium=all

Hans, Sorting simply by year (or, rather, year then author then title ...) could be useful. Take, for example, a pluriannual report having many references. One might wish to display a list of publications by year. Should this be selected using "sorttype=year"? Another possible syntax could be sorttype={author,year,title,page} and this would be the default for APA. Of course, the other common sorting is "sorttype=cite". Furthermore, sorttype={year,author,title,page} would be another variant, and I can even imagine using: sorttype={journal,volume,number,page} or sorttype={publisher,year,title} and I am sure that users may need something totally unanticipated. The change from the present is that "sortype=author" implies {author,year,title,page}. I suppose that it could default to this order if no other order is specified. Just like "sorttype=year" could default to something sane like {year,author,title,page} unless a different order is explicitly given, etc. A subtlety is how to handle missing fields, say in a mixture of articles and books where articles have journal titles (journal) and article titles (title) and books have book titles (title). Should missing journal fields (books) come before or after articles or should title then be taken into account, as in {journal|title}? Do we need to allow such logic? We can continue to discuss this with Thomas and Luigi but I mention it here on the mailing list as Flavien Lambert brought up the question. Alan On Wed, 16 Jul 2014 11:52:15 +0200 Hans Hagen wrote:

On 7/16/2014 11:31 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote:

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The sort by author is perfect.

fyi, sorting authors is kind of complex as we need to take all name elements into account (initials, firstnames, surnames, vons, juniors); of course there can be multiple authors; add to the extra axes year journal, title and page

the torture test is a list with 400K author specifications (taken from a bunch of bib databases) which eventually produces a 5500 page document

in practice, certainly when we have smaller databases, load time can be neglected (here it is .4 sec luatex vs .3 sec luajittex); sort preparation and processing of that bunch takes 35 sec for luatex and 19 sec for luajittex but of course for normal cases you won't even noticed it .. bib databases with 400K entries are probably not used often

(i have no clue if bibtex can handle these numbers)

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Thanks, F.

On 16 Jul 2014 17:16, "Hans Hagen" mailto:pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:

On 7/16/2014 10:10 AM, Flavien Lambert wrote:

Great! Thanks a lot!

And concerning sorting by date?

sorttype=author

sorts by author,year,journal,title,page

so what do you mean with 'by year'

Hans

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