Re: [NTG-context] Basic font question (Optima, but no bold, no italics). Standalone ConTeXt does not work. TeX Live 2019 works

The problem seems to be resolved. Thanks to everyone, especially Hans, Taco and Wolfgang for the fast fix (offlist)! After updating to ConTeXt ver: 2020.01.30 14:13 MKIV beta fmt: 2020.4.26 Helvetica Neue works with: ========================== \starttypescript [sans] [helvet] \setups[font:fallback:sans] \definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:Helvetica Neue.ttc(Helvetica Neue)] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:Helvetica Neue.ttc(Helvetica Neue Bold)] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:Helvetica Neue.ttc(Helvetica Neue Italic)] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:Helvetica Neue.ttc(Helvetica Neue Bold Italic)] [features=default] \stoptypescript \definetypeface [helvet] [ss] [sans] [helvet] [default] \setupbodyfont [helvet, 12pt] Optima works with: ================== \starttypescript [sans] [optima] \setups[font:fallback:sans] \definefontsynonym [Sans] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Regular)] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SansBold] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Bold)] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SansItalic] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Italic)] [features=default] \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [file:Optima.ttc(Optima Bold Italic)] [features=default] \stoptypescript \definetypeface [optima] [ss] [sans] [optima] [default] \setupbodyfont [optima] \starttext \tf Upright, \bf Bold, \it Italic, \bi Bolditalic \stoptext Note 1: mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=helvetica etc. might still not display all variants correctly in the first place. Note 2: There are predefined typescripts for Mac OS in ConTeXt (type-imp-osx.mkiv) but the file needs a update/cleanup.

On 24 Apr 2020, at 12:14, Benjamin Buchmuller wrote:

Hi Hraban,

Thanks for the hint (and the proper fontfamily setup), I have forced reload ten times now from various accounts; the issue persists unfortunately.

This might confirm Taco‘s notion that there is some bug lmtx. I’m running macOS Catalina too, but as it worked with the standalone of Dec/Jan three days ago, I suspect it is not because of a new feature in the OS, but rather an old feature in mtxrun or elsewhere having disappeared.

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On 24. Apr 2020, at 11:35, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 24.04.2020 um 11:13 schrieb Benjamin Buchmuller :

Although this specific issue might have been solved meanwhile by the helpful suggestions of Wolfang, Thomas and others, I would like to point out that I have recently also encountered an odd behaviour of the mtxrun fontloader in the standalone, in which not all typefaces are available/properly identified.

(I’m sorry to hijack this thread if this is unrelated.)

Basically, when I load “Helvetica Neue”, I get instead of “regular/normal” always “light/italic”.

I have switched to heros for the meantime, but potentially there is some bug behind this. (My documents with the version from Dec/Jan worked fine.)

I recite my example from Wed:

ConTeXt ver: 2020.01.30 14:13 MKIV beta fmt: 2020.4.22 (LuaTeX 1.11.1)

and I’m running now into troubles with system font indexing:

mtxrun --script fonts --reload

locates fonts in macOS directories appropriately (*.afm fonts placed in .../tex/texmf-fonts are not found, but at the moment I don’t care too much), however it resolves only to a single font variant for *.ttc instead of all variants:

mtxrun --script fonts --list --all --pattern=helvetica

helvetica helvetica helveticalightoblique /System/Library/Fonts/Helvetica.ttc 6 helveticalightoblique helvetica helveticalightoblique /System/Library/Fonts/Helvetica.ttc 6 helveticaneuedeskinterfaceheavy helveticaneuedeskinterface helveticaneuedeskinterfaceheavy /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc 10 helveticaneuethinitalic helveticaneue helveticaneuethinitalic /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.ttc 14

If the subfont is not listed, ConTeXt/mtxrun couldn’t find it and won’t find it regardless of your setup.

Try mtxrun --script fonts --reload --force maybe even twice or thrice and check again. (Unfortunately this is not reliable.)

I get the full list:

identifier familyname fontname filename subfont instances

helvetica helvetica helvetica /System/Library/Fonts/Helvetica.ttc 1 helveticaneueblack helveticaneue helveticaneuecondensedblack /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.ttc 10 helveticaneuedeskinterfaceextrabold helveticaneuedeskinterface helveticaneuedeskinterfaceheavy /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc 10 helveticaneuedeskinterfaceextralight helveticaneuedeskinterface helveticaneuedeskinterfacethin /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc 8 helveticaneuedeskinterfacemedium helveticaneuedeskinterface helveticaneuedeskinterfacemediump4 /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc 5 helveticaneuedeskinterfacemediumitalic helveticaneuedeskinterface helveticaneuedeskinterfacemediumitalicp4 /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc 6 helveticaneuedeskinterfacenormal helveticaneuedeskinterface helveticaneuedeskinterfaceregular /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeueDeskInterface.ttc 1 helveticaneueextralight helveticaneue helveticaneuethin /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.ttc 13 helveticaneuenormal helveticaneue helveticaneue /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.ttc 1 helveticaneueregular helveticaneue helveticaneue /System/Library/Fonts/HelveticaNeue.ttc 1 helveticanormal helvetica helvetica /System/Library/Fonts/Helvetica.ttc 1 helveticaregular helvetica helvetica /System/Library/Fonts/Helvetica.ttc 1

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As a consequence, when I run

\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Helvetica Neue] \setupbodyfont[mainface, 12pt, sans]

I get the light oblique variant instead of the regular one. I have tried to fix this via a

\definefontfamily[mainface][ss][Helvetica Neue][tf=style:normal]

tf=helveticaregular should work.

Best, Hraban