Re: [NTG-context] Formatting bibliographic inline references and publications list

25 Jan 2015

      Thank You Alan and Hans for your efforts regarding my questions so far.

After I had played a while with the examples Hans had attached, I have 
had a little success bei renaming copies of 
~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/publ-imp-apa.lua and 
~/context/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/publ-imp-apa.mkiv to 
publ-imp-daf.lua and publ-imp-daf.mkiv (DaF stands for “Deutsch als 
Fremdsprache” = “German as a foreign language”, my subject of study) and 
putting those renamed copies into the same folder as a test file that 
should contain only in-text references and a publications list.

I have started to set up a “real world” BibTeXt example from the 
examples in the style sheet we were given by the university. So far I 
have different examples for “book” and “incollection”.

  Inside the two new configuration files I replaced every occurrence of 
“apa” by “daf”. Then I edited publ-imp-daf.mkiv by trial and error. I 
managed to change punctuation/delimiters in the publications list, but 
did not fully succeed with the in-text reference. I understand now that 
it is not trivial to set up a style as there are many decisions to be 
taken. The problem I have regarding the publications list is that the 
order I need differs in some ways from apa which means I have to split 
some of the macros defined for apa. E.g. for “book” my order is

author(s), year, title, (optional: edition), adress, publisher, 
(optional: series, volume)

and for incollection

author(s), year, title, editor(s), booktitle, publisher’s city adress, 
publisher, (optional: series, volume), page(s)

I think I have yet to translate the other real world examples (mainly 
electronic media) into BibTeX before I start to ask further questions 
regarding the order in the publications list.

For now I have an important question regarding in-text references:

Is there a way to switch between the following citation modes?

I have to manage:

* normal reference in brackets: author <space> year, no comma: e.g. 
“(Einstein 1904)”

* author is named in the text, only year in brackets: e.g. “As it has 
been proven by Einstein (1904) …”

* if page numbers are to be given in the citation: colon after year, 
followed directly (without space) by page number(s)/range: e.g. 
“(Einstein 1904:351)” or “(Einstein 1904:251 f.)” or “(Einstein 1904:251 
ff.)” or “(Einstein 1904:226–231)”.

(“f.” and “ff.” are the German abreviations for “et seq.” respectively 
“et seqq.”)

Is it possible to switch between those three modes? If not it would be 
great to implement that.

“\cite[extras={}][<key>]” doesn’t seem to work anymore, so 
I cannot put page numbers manually.

Greetings from Munich

Jörg

PS: Regarding the small caps from my original question: Those would be 
nice, but they are not obligatory—it is just my idea to let the 
references stick out more from the surrounding text and giving the whole 
thing more the impression of sophisticated typesetting :)

For me it is much more important to get the information in the 
publications list into the right order first.

On 23.01.2015 07:26, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
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From what I can see, the only *significant* style difference that you
seek is the use of \letterspace and \sc for names (authors or editors).
The use of old numbers is trivial as they will be used if specified for
the rest of the document.
How else does your university's standard differ from the APA?
All of the details of the layout are programmable using setups.
By the way, the APA sort order is: authors(or editors), year,
title (and possibly journal, volume, number, page).
Alan
On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:44:56 +0100
Hans Hagen  wrote:
...
On 1/17/2015 7:23 AM, Jörg Weger wrote:
...
Hi Alan
What I am trying to achieve is the following (of which typesetting
the author’s name is only a detail): setting up an environment that
I can use for all papers and works that I have to write during my
academic studies. With the basic layout I am almost done. The main
remaining problem is to get the bibliographic information details
in the publications list into the right order for every possible
type of publication according to the standards demanded by my
university department which differ from APA style.
You ask what I am looking for:
It would be great to be able at the same time to format every
detail of information while defining said order.
Defining that order could be done by giving a kind of “maximum case”
with the exact order of the desired variables and the punctuation
and blanks between them for every particular type of publication
cited. Out of that “maximum case” the underlying mechanism would
ignore everything not needed in the particular case of a certain
publication.
In the case of publication type “book” it could be something like:
\setpublicationstyleforlist [type:book]
[{invertedauthor1}{/}{invertedauthor2}{/}{invertedauthor3}{et al.}{
(}{year}{): }{title}{. }{address}{: }{publisher}{.}]
... that not good enough: fields can be absent, there is no way to
distinguish authors from titles and so ...
the new mechanism we're making tries to cover a lot of aspects and
it's not that trivial to also keep the interface simple then
anyway, what we're talking of (currently) is:
- datasets, where data comes from bib files, lua tables xml files or
whatever gets interfaced
- optional typing, which means that one can tell what fields
represents what kind of data
- fallback sets i.e a sequence that will be checked when a field is
requested
- virtual fields (think of numbers and author year combinations)
- control via settings (the et-al thing as well as fences and
punctuation)
- rendering driven by setups so that users have full control (if they
want) over what comes out
- a bunch of helper macros (checking, spacing etc)
- a collection of methods that can be applied to fields when they are
called up
- calling up citations by tag but also by a query
- control over lists
- automatic generation of registers
- passing along extra data entered in the source
- and more
we don't know how many users will define renderings themselves but in
principle it should not be too hard to copy existing setups and mess
with them
there is quite some tracing available because it can go wrong in many
places (depending on the quality of the data)
attached are two simple examples of how users can define things
Hans
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