Re: [NTG-context] Font problems with latest minimals on Linux

Before I get anymore strawman arguments, here's the definitive experiment: $ ls -U1 /usr/share/fonts/vista/ | grep erda Verdanai.ttf Verdana.ttf Verdanaz.ttf Verdanab.ttf $ ls -U1 /xp/wtf/ Verdana.ttf Verdanab.ttf Verdanai.ttf Verdanaz.ttf Notice that the directory order is different, bold comes before bold italic in wtf. I actually had to copy the files to a non-ext3 partition (NTFS actually) to get the order to change. Why? Because with ext3 htree you have *no* control over the order in which the directory is "laid out", because it's not a linear list anymore. So, guess what happens if I do: $ export OSFONTDIR=/xp/wtf/ $ mtxrun --script fonts --reload $ mtxrun --script fonts --list | grep erda verdana Verdana /xp/wtf/Verdana.ttf verdana bold Verdana Bold /xp/wtf/Verdanab.ttf verdana bold italic Verdana Bold Italic /xp/wtf/Verdanaz.ttf verdana italic Verdana Italic /xp/wtf/Verdanai.ttf $ context taco.tex | grep Verdana ) and the correct bold font is loaded in the PDF. If you still think somehow that this is a problem with Verdana, look carefully at this list of DejaVu fonts. Some get the bold, and for some it's missing. It's haphazard depending on the disk order: $ mtxrun --script fonts --list | grep eja dejavu lgc sans DejaVu LGC Sans /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSans.ttf dejavu lgc sans bold oblique DejaVu LGC Sans Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSans-BoldOblique.ttf dejavu lgc sans condensed DejaVu LGC Sans Condensed /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansCondensed.ttf dejavu lgc sans condensed bold oblique DejaVu LGC Sans Condensed Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansCondensed-BoldOblique.ttf dejavu lgc sans condensed oblique DejaVu LGC Sans Condensed Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansCondensed-Oblique.ttf dejavu lgc sans extralight DejaVu LGC Sans ExtraLight /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSans-ExtraLight.ttf dejavu lgc sans mono DejaVu LGC Sans Mono /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansMono.ttf dejavu lgc sans mono bold DejaVu LGC Sans Mono Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansMono-Bold.ttf dejavu lgc sans mono bold oblique DejaVu LGC Sans Mono Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf dejavu lgc sans mono oblique DejaVu LGC Sans Mono Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSansMono-Oblique.ttf dejavu lgc sans oblique DejaVu LGC Sans Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSans-Oblique.ttf dejavu lgc serif DejaVu LGC Serif /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerif.ttf dejavu lgc serif bold italic DejaVu LGC Serif Bold Italic /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerif-BoldItalic.ttf dejavu lgc serif condensed DejaVu LGC Serif Condensed /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerifCondensed.ttf dejavu lgc serif condensed bold DejaVu LGC Serif Condensed Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerifCondensed-Bold.ttf dejavu lgc serif condensed bold italic DejaVu LGC Serif Condensed Bold Italic /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerifCondensed-BoldItalic.ttf dejavu lgc serif italic DejaVu LGC Serif Italic /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerif-Italic.ttf dejavu lgc serif italic condensed DejaVu LGC Serif Italic Condensed /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuLGCSerifCondensed-Italic.ttf dejavu sans DejaVu Sans /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans.ttf dejavu sans bold DejaVu Sans Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf dejavu sans bold oblique DejaVu Sans Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf dejavu sans condensed DejaVu Sans Condensed /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansCondensed.ttf dejavu sans condensed bold DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansCondensed-Bold.ttf dejavu sans condensed bold oblique DejaVu Sans Condensed Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansCondensed-BoldOblique.ttf dejavu sans condensed oblique DejaVu Sans Condensed Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansCondensed-Oblique.ttf dejavu sans extralight DejaVu Sans ExtraLight /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans-ExtraLight.ttf dejavu sans mono DejaVu Sans Mono /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansMono.ttf dejavu sans mono bold DejaVu Sans Mono Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf dejavu sans mono bold oblique DejaVu Sans Mono Bold Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf dejavu sans mono oblique DejaVu Sans Mono Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf dejavu sans oblique DejaVu Sans Oblique /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf dejavu serif DejaVu Serif /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerif.ttf dejavu serif bold DejaVu Serif Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerif-Bold.ttf dejavu serif bold italic DejaVu Serif Bold Italic /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerif-BoldItalic.ttf dejavu serif condensed DejaVu Serif Condensed /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf dejavu serif condensed bold DejaVu Serif Condensed Bold /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerifCondensed-Bold.ttf dejavu serif condensed bold italic DejaVu Serif Condensed Bold Italic /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerifCondensed-BoldItalic.ttf dejavu serif italic DejaVu Serif Italic /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerif-Italic.ttf dejavu serif italic condensed DejaVu Serif Italic Condensed /usr/share/fonts/dejavu/DejaVuSerifCondensed-Italic.ttf Now the easiest way for you to stop depending on the disk order of directory entries is to sort the list you get from globbing. This will work for bold vs bold italic, but it will probably break at some other name sequence. The only reliable way is avoid clobbering existing entries in the hash in the same --reload run. But this won't work for incremental updates, since you can't tell whether you should drop an old hash entry or not. So if you want to use hashing, you really need a naming scheme that avoids creating conflicts. XeTeX solves this problem by using *only* the ID 16 and ID 17 OpenType values to create a unique name for system fonts. I actually filed a bug about lack of support for the common ID 1/2 names, but Johnathan WONTFIXED it because he really wants the font names to be unambiguous, and using ID 1 and ID 2 values in addition to ID 16/17 doesn't guarantee that. Your situation is worse, because you want to support all sort of legacy fonts in that single hashtable. Anyway, I've wasted enough of my time on this matter. If you sill don't grok it, forget about it. BTW, the Lua 5.1 "reference" manual is a joke. How do you printf a boolean? What's the syntax for their definitely non-standard regexps. No answers in that "reference". On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 4:46 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Vasile Gaburici wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Vasile Gaburici wrote:

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As for the missing bold, it seems there's a bug in the naming scheme: Ii the bold italic file gets read from the disk before the bold, then you don't get the right entries. It so happens that most of the fonts in that dir had bold before bold italic, e.g.

fontnames | identifying ttf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/Verdanai.ttf fontnames | identifying ttf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/Verdana.ttf fontnames | identifying ttf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/Verdanaz.ttf fontnames | identifying ttf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/Verdanab.ttf

fontnames | identifying otf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/C-series/Calibri Bold Italic.otf fontnames | identifying otf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/C-series/Calibri.otf fontnames | identifying otf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/C-series/Calibri Italic.otf fontnames | identifying otf font /usr/share/fonts/vista/C-series/Calibri Bold.otf

So, I've added some extra code (patch attached) to print the names it adds to the hash. As you can see there is a clash: both bold italic and bold want to "own" bold...

how do you define the font; don't use spaces!

??? If your're complaining that Calibri has spaces in the file name, it's a non-issue here. Verdana has the same "bold not listed" problem, even though there are no spaces in the file name...

Where do you got the vista fonts, i know them only in TrueType format and more verbose names.

Wolfgang