Hi everbody, I would like to do some very special settings using frames possibly structures to! NMW % declartion of MyFarme and setup \defineframed[MyFrame][framed] \setupframed[MyFrame][\rulethickness=3pt, frameoffset=.8 rulethickness] … startext \MyFrame[\rulethickness=3pt{What goes into the frame} stop I would like to adjust the frameoffset according to the value of \rulethickness, to be exact I would prefer using a command that calulates a value. How do I go about it. According to the Manuals and the Wiki I can use a command How can I access rulethickness in such a manner? I know I could right a command in lua that injects the proper output into the TeX stream, but I am afraid that the the side effects. Could do it in TeX to, but I am not that comfortable with TeX and processing key values therein. Any help and ideas appriciated. regards Keith.