hi Sietse, there are normally about 5-10 users online regularly, including me and Troy, but it would be nice to meet more users there, as a fast help is easier accomplished via IRC then ML but right ML is nice for a searchable help and as Marco said a secondary helpsystem... That channel was designed as a meetingpoint and should have been handed to ConTeXt by the owners but ConTeXt itself never asked for it and so the topic is still there as an unofficial ConTeXt source, that helped me many times :) So I think your idea about a regularly discussion on there concerning a special topic would be nice, but even having more users there and helping ppl the fast chatway would even be better and nicer too and as I can speak for me myself it is also nice to stay conected and build friendships easier in IRC then ML... :) Greetings Martin 'golodhrim' Scholz