[NTG-context] Improving the Documentation of Context

14 Jun 2003

      I think it would be nice to have the manuals improved in the
following not very costly way (??? indicates my ignorance):

\setuplayout[..,..=..,..]
width             dimension fit middle .....    width, ??? and orientation 
of main text
height            dimension fit middle .....    height of main text
backspace         dimension
topspace          dimension
margin            dimension
nx                number.....................   ???
ny                number.....................   ???
dx                dimension..................   ???
dy                dimension..................   ???
lines             number.....................   number of lines on the page
                                                 [I don't know the relation 
to height]
grid              yes no.....................   invoking setting to grit

Since the manual doesn't even mention all those options, even a very
short hint is much better than just trying around to get an idea what's
the idea of an option.

Greetings

M. Vogel

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Today's Topics:

    1. Re: texexec (Raimund Kohl)
    2. Re: XML attributes (Jedrzej Nasiadek)
    3. Re: encodings (Morten =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F8gholm?=)
    4. texexec (Raimund Kohl-Fuechsle)
    5. Re: texexec (Raimund Kohl-Fuechsle)
    6. Re: XML attributes (Hans Hagen)
    7. Double bar means hyphen? (John Culleton)
    8. Re: Double bar means hyphen? (Phil Rooke)
    9. Re: Double bar means hyphen? (wmcclain@salamander.com)
   10. Re: Double bar means hyphen? (Ed L Cashin)
   11. Re: Re: encodings (Giuseppe Bilotta)
   12. Re: Double bar means hyphen? (Adam Lindsay)
   13. Re: Double bar means hyphen? (Adam Lindsay)
   14. Re: Double bar means hyphen? (Hans Hagen)
   15. Re: Runtime graphics (Hans Hagen)
   16. Re: differences of table modes (Hans Hagen)

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Message: 1
From: Raimund Kohl 
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] texexec
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:00:23 +0200
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

On Thursday 12 June 2003 15:18, Raimund Kohl wrote:

On Thursday 12 June 2003 15:18, Raimund Kohl wrote:
...
I run Debian Woody 3.01r and if I call
texexec --make de
it says
"warning : texexec.ini not found; try 'texexec --verbose'
TeXExec 2.5 -ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997 - 2001
locating ini file : not found by kpsewhich
locating ini file : not found by searching
locating ini file : no environment variable set
locating ini file : not found in own path
so, what am I going to do?  I found "texexec" in
/usr/share/texmf/context/config ... am I to make a link? Let's say to
/home/user/texmf?
ok, I made a link to /home/user/texmf.  Running texexec now works ...
seemingly.  But if I process Testfile.tex

\starttex
Hallo Hallo
\stoptext

with texexec Testfile the message is:

TexExec 2.5 ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE ...
   executable : pdftex
          format : cont-en
        inputfile : Testtex
          output : standard
       interface : en
current mode : all
        TeX run : 1

This is pdfTex, Version 3.14159-1.00-pretest-20011114-ojmw-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.7)
Sorry, I can't find the format 'cont-en.efmt'; will try 'context.efmt'. I
can't find the format file 'context.efmt'!

How do I deal with that?

ray

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Message: 2
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] XML attributes
From: Jedrzej Nasiadek 
Date: 06 Jun 2003 22:55:27 +0200
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
...
\defineXMLenvironment [var]
    {\xdef\varname{\XMLpar{var}{name}{blah}} \NC \varname \NC }
    {\NC\NR }
Hah!  Now it works like charm :-) Thanks Simon!

Jedrzej

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Message: 3
To: ntg-context@ref.ntg.nl
From: Morten =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F8gholm?= 
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 05:14:52 +0200
Subject: [NTG-context] Re: encodings
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
...
Saturday, June 7, 2003 Johannes Hüsing wrote:
JH> allallallallallong long li long long long
Those are the lyrics of a song, which I know I've heard. Would
you mind reminding me which song it was?
It's called "Sweat (A La La La La Long)" and it's by the band "Inner
Circle" from their 1993 album "Bad Boys".

Haven't heard this song since I was fifteen -- it is indeed a la la la
la long li long long long time ago...
-- 
Morten Høgholm.

Beware of my cheesy address!

www.student.cbs.dk/moho01ab

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Message: 4
From: Raimund Kohl-Fuechsle 
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 15:04:28 +0200
Subject: [NTG-context] texexec
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

Hello there,

I love working with ConTeXt, and never had to think about it much since SuSE
makes it realy easy ... but now I switched to Debian, and all of a sudden
have to face some trouble :-))

I run Debian Woody 3.01r and if I call

texexec --make de

it says

"warning : texexec.ini not found; try 'texexec --verbose'

TeXExec 2.5 -ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997 - 2001

locating ini file : not found by kpsewhich
locating ini file : not found by searching
locating ini file : no environment variable set
locating ini file : not found in own path

so, what am I going to do?  I found "texexec" in
/usr/share/texmf/context/config ... am I to make a link? Let's say to
/home/user/texmf?

Thanks in advance

ray

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Message: 5
From: Raimund Kohl-Fuechsle 
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] texexec
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:57:10 +0200
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

On Thursday 12 June 2003 15:18, Raimund Kohl wrote:
...
I run Debian Woody 3.01r and if I call
texexec --make de
it says
"warning : texexec.ini not found; try 'texexec --verbose'
TeXExec 2.5 -ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE 1997 - 2001
locating ini file : not found by kpsewhich
locating ini file : not found by searching
locating ini file : no environment variable set
locating ini file : not found in own path
so, what am I going to do?  I found "texexec" in
/usr/share/texmf/context/config ... am I to make a link? Let's say to
/home/user/texmf?
ok, I made a link to /home/user/texmf.  Running texexec now works ...
seemingly.  But if I process Testfile.tex

\starttex
Hallo Hallo
\stoptext

with texexec Testfile the message is:

TexExec 2.5 ConTeXt / PRAGMA ADE ...
   executable : pdftex
          format : cont-en
        inputfile : Testtex
          output : standard
       interface : en
current mode : all
        TeX run : 1

This is pdfTex, Version 3.14159-1.00-pretest-20011114-ojmw-2.1 (Web2C 7.3.7)
Sorry, I can't find the format 'cont-en.efmt'; will try 'context.efmt'. I
can't find the format file 'context.efmt'!

How do I deal with that?

ray

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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 18:18:57 +0200
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
From: Hans Hagen 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] XML attributes
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

At 22:55 06/06/2003 +0200, you wrote:
...
...
\defineXMLenvironment [var]
    {\xdef\varname{\XMLpar{var}{name}{blah}} \NC \varname \NC }
    {\NC\NR }
Hah!  Now it works like charm :-) Thanks Simon!
or better:

    \defineXMLenvironment [var] {\expanded {\NC \XMLpar {var} {name}} \NC}
{\NC \NR}

since you need the expanded value in a collected content like tabulate

Hans
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Message: 7
From: John Culleton 
To: "Context-nl" 
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400
Subject: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the double=
  bar=20
is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable hyphen. In pdftex it=
=20
translated to an em? dash instead.

Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
--=20
John Culleton
Able Typesetters and Indexers

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Message: 8
From: "Phil Rooke" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 20:43:03 +0100
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
...
Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
There is some discussion in the reference manual Section 7.8 p. 133

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 14:50:53 -0500
From: wmcclain@salamander.com
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400
John Culleton  wrote:
...
In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the
double bar is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable
hyphen. In pdftex it translated to an em? dash instead.
Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
The default is supposed to be an en-dash, but this can be changed. See
section 7.8 "Composed words" in "ConTeXt the Manual".

-Bill
-- 
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http://sattre-press.com/                  by Kenneth Grahame
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:12:13 -0400
From: Ed L Cashin 
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:50:53PM -0500, wmcclain@salamander.com wrote:
...
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400
John Culleton  wrote:
...
In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the
double bar is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable
hyphen. In pdftex it translated to an em? dash instead.
Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
The default is supposed to be an en-dash, but this can be changed. See
section 7.8 "Composed words" in "ConTeXt the Manual".
I always use explicit hyphen like this:

   Don't second|-|guess me.

-- 
--Ed L Cashin            |   PGP public key:
   ecashin@uga.edu        |   http://noserose.net/e/pgp/

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 19:20:33 +0200
From: Giuseppe Bilotta 
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Re: encodings
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

Wednesday, June 11, 2003 Morten H=F8gholm wrote:

MH> Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
...
...
=20
Saturday, June 7, 2003 Johannes H=FCsing wrote:
=20
=20
JH> allallallallallong long li long long long
=20
Those are the lyrics of a song, which I know I've heard. Would
you mind reminding me which song it was?
=20
MH> It's called "Sweat (A La La La La Long)" and it's by the band "Inn=
er
MH> Circle" from their 1993 album "Bad Boys".=20
MH> Haven't heard this song since I was fifteen -- it is indeed a la l=
a la
MH> la long li long long long time ago...

Thank you :)

--=20
Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta

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Message: 12
From: "Adam Lindsay" 
To: 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:14:18 +0100
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

The character is a compoundhyphen, actually created by mashing two
hyphens together. Look at the definition in supp-lan.tex.
It really doesn't work well in certain fonts where the hyphen is subtly
shaped.

cheers,
adam

John Culleton said this at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 15:31:41 -0400:
...
In some of the sample texts that come with Context (Zapf etc.) the
double bar
is used to indicate a hyphen, perhaps an unbreakable hyphen. In pdftex it
translated to an em? dash instead.
Is this combination documented somewhere?  ||
--
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Able Typesetters and Indexers
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Message: 13
From: "Adam Lindsay" 
To: , "Ed L Cashin" 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 23:21:34 +0100
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

Ed L Cashin said this at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:12:13 -0400:
...
I always use explicit hyphen like this:
Don't second|-|guess me.
If it really is always, you can save a little effort with:

\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]

(This relates to an issue I mentioned earlier: anyone notice how these
compound word marks *don't* interact well with font handling/hanging?)

adam
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 10:57:13 +0200
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
From: Hans Hagen 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Double bar means hyphen?
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

At 23:21 13/06/2003 +0100, you wrote:
...
Ed L Cashin said this at Fri, 13 Jun 2003 17:12:13 -0400:
...
I always use explicit hyphen like this:
Don't second|-|guess me.
If it really is always, you can save a little effort with:
\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]
(This relates to an issue I mentioned earlier: anyone notice how these
compound word marks *don't* interact well with font handling/hanging?)
yes, sometimes they are boxed thingies and they don't hang; for this the
concept of hanging should be extended (something \hangme {left} {right}
{material}); i discussed this long ago with thanh but it didn't (yet) end
up in pdftex -)

Hans
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:06:11 +0200
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
From: Hans Hagen 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Runtime graphics
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

At 01:34 13/06/2003 -0400, you wrote:
...
Hi,
I run this simple test file test.tex :
%&cont-en
\setupoutput[pdftex]
\runMPgraphicstrue
\starttext
\startMPrun
  input graphserieA
\stopMPrun
\externalfigure[mprun.1]
\externalfigure[mprun.2]
%
\startMPrun
  input graphserieB
\stopMPrun
\externalfigure[mprun.1]
\externalfigure[mprun.2]
\stoptext
\end .
In the logfile, I got the messages :
figures        : figureobject test-mprun.1 is reused
figures        : figureobject test-mprun.2 is reused
and twice the figures of graphserieA.mp on test.pdf.
Is there a way to avoid the re-use of test-mprun.1 and test-mprun.2, I mean
a way to overwrite the files test-mprun.1 and test-mprun.2 ?
Or a way to get different names for each metapost output as, for example,
graphserieA-mprun.1, graphserieA-mprun.2 and graphserieB-mprun.1,
graphserieB-mprun.2 ?
I could also give a different number to each of the figures in all of the
*.mp files, but this solution is not pacticable since I have plenty of
metapost files to process, each of it containing a lot of figures already
numbered with almost the same numbers. Moreover, those numbers can not be
modified because the figures are elsewhere referenced by their number and by
the name of the metapost file.
You can redefine:

    \def\MPrunfile#1{\bufferprefix mprun.#1}

to for instance

    \def\MPrunfile#1{\bufferprefix \MyMpRunFile.#1}

    \def\MyMpRunFile{mprun}

and them change the definition of \MyMpRunFile whenever you want

Hans
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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 11:15:56 +0200
To: ntg-context@ntg.nl
From: Hans Hagen 
Subject: Re: [NTG-context] differences of table modes
Reply-To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

At 18:32 12/06/2003 +0200, you wrote:
...
Ahoi!
I just reviewed my german ConTeXt tutorial and tried to tell the truth
about all the table modes. Please correct me if I'm wrong:
* tabulate
- can break over several pages
- [start|stop]tabulate[head|tail] should define a repeated head/tail,
  but it doesn't work
works here

\starttext

\starttabulatehead
    \NC left \NC right \NC \NR
\stoptabulatehead

\starttabulate[|l|r|]
    \NC l \NC r \NC \NR
\stoptabulate

\stoptext
...
- documented in the manual (cont-en[i|p])
- handles (multiple) paragraphs with the "p" template entry
- works well with grids
- supports text backgrounds
...
* table
- cannot break
- based on Wichura's TaBlE (others not)
- can be used as float (others not?)
all can be used as floats
...
- documentation commercial at pctex.com (39 $),
  partly docs in "ConTeXt - an excursion" (m[s|p]-cb-en)
* tables
- same as table, but can break over several pages
- [start|stop]table[head|tail] works
- nowhere documented?
in my still to be included chapter if the manual it is -)
...
* TABLE
- didn't try page breaks yet; should it work?
yes, if split is set to yes
...
- [b|e]TABLE works; should [start|stop]TABLE also?
no, at least not yet; has to do with grabbing
...
- docs: up-to-date 8 (no link on HP!), enattab
* new table mode?
I remember Hans wrote about a new enhanced table
mode, but can't find the mail.
core-ltb: line tables, auto break vertically and horizontally across pages,
repeated rows / columns, etc

will be documented

Hans
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Matthias Vogel