Re: [NTG-context] Critical Editions?

3 Jan 2022

      Hello dear "critical edition" scholars !

I do remember who was the French geek on reledmac and reledpar (LaTeX) : 
he is Maieul Rouquette (please read this page 
https://github.com/maieul/ledmac).

We (Pablo Rodriguez mainly and I) have tried few years ago to somehow 
follow a possible path within CTX in order to clarify what was possible 
with critical edition, which means : 1) a main text with 2) several 
levels of footnotes showing different version of this text (mainly 
differences or alterations of the main text, mainly in  words 
occurences, specially within Medieval copies of the same text). It may 
be useful to have the original text (say : Ancient Greek or whatever) on 
the left column, with the translation on the right column (say : Latin 
or whatever), and the 'criticus apparatus' in the different level of 
footnotes. This kind of page suppose to have under the hand 
(zuhandenheit or vorhandenheit ?) some tools/commands in order to deal 
with the text extension in the column at right ...

Pablo has proposed a MWE, but since I made previously a mistake among 
files I have send to the list, I am going back with a MWE as attached 
file (I send the *.tex & *.pdf files), produced under mtx-context     | 
current version: 2020.01.30 (!).

I hope this may give some help to those who want to clarify how CTX/LMTX 
may be useful in such topic.

JP

Le 03/01/2022 à 10:43, hanneder--- via ntg-context a écrit :
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Dear Bruce and Hans,
thanks for you responses and I apologize for the lengthy post, which 
is just to give you an
impression of the current practice in my field (Sanskrit Studies, 
Indology).
For the last two decades edmac and its further developments (now 
reledmac) have become the standard
for critical editions. In my experience the basic requirements for 
typesetting critical editions
were and are:
- footnotes have to be formatted in paragraphs
- multiple footnotes layers stacked below the critical text must be 
possible
- automatic reference to linenumbers
- or: manual references to verse numbers
- language specific requirements (more complicated, see below)
In the last years new requirements have been added:
- some funding institutions in the academic world practically enforce 
online editions
- data have to be made available in TEI xml format
This is where a new (LuaTeX) package called ekdosis, currently being 
developed by Robert Alessi,
comes in. It produces a printed version and in the same TeX run an xml 
file. In an ongoing
editorial project we are using this method and it works very well. 
While the system is ingenious
and a great relief (for we do not have to work with xml directly), I 
am also critical about these
new demands, because they force us to use a fairly complex system for 
sometimes quite simple tasks.
I am a Sanskritist, we do not have huge budgets or a large staff, so 
efficiency is an issue. We
also do not have the resources for the long-term care for data such as 
online editions, but this is
another problem.
In a previous project, a large edition (30000 verses, 15 years), I 
tried to use the easiest
method. It turned out that edmac was not even necessary and not using 
it made the main file from
which we are working very readable and greatly simplified daily work. 
Just to give you an
impression from our input file: The first two lines in the next 
paragraph are the Sanskrit text in
transcription, \var produces a variant with reference to the verse 
number and verse quarter
(a-d). So no line numbering was even necessary. The \lem produces the 
sign that divides the
critical text and its witnesses from the variants, usually "]", the 
rest are sigla, like S1, S3
etc.
mumukṣuvyavahāroktimayāt prakaraṇād anu   \danda
athotpattiprakaraṇaṃ mayedaṃ parikathyate  \sloka{1.5}
   \var{5b}{anu \Sseven \Sft \lem \emph{param} \Sone \Sthree \Snine 
\Ntwelve \Ntw}
I used pdflatex and memoir, which has paragraphed footnotes. Here is 
the relevant section from the
preamble:
\renewcommand*{\@makefnmark}{}
\newfootnoteseries{P}
\paragraphfootstyle{P}
\renewcommand{\thefootnoteP}{}
\footmarkstyleP{}
\renewcommand{\@makefnmarkP}{\hskip-2.2pt}
\renewcommand{\footnoterule}{}
\setlength{\stockheight}{6in}
\renewcommand{\linenumberfont}{\normalfont\tiny}
\setlength{\linenumbersep}{0pt}\setlength{\linenumberwidth}{0pt}\modulolinenumbers[2]
\setlength{\footmarkwidth}{0em}
\setlength{\footmarksep}{-\footmarkwidth}
\addtolength{\skip\footins}{2mm plus 1mm}
\leftskip=.2cm            % indent of the verses
\def\var#1#2{\footnoteP{#1 #2}}  % footnotes
This is what I compiled from different examples (I am not a 
programmer), but it worked -- the
edition has produced quite a few volumes and is almost finished!
Working with this file was easy, because one could easily read the 
text.  The usual edmac code
would have required us to identify an lemma with \edtext and then 
write the variant directly into
the text. This may not matter in the case of few variants, but with 
many variants the text is
quickly rendered unreadable -- even with all tricks to make footnotes 
invisible (I use folding in
emacs). The following would be a single example verse (32 syllables, 
same size as the one quoted
above), encoded in ekdosis and with lots of manuscripts:
\begin{tlg}[hp16][]
\tl{
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{manthāna}
     \rdg[type=stemmaerror,wit={B2}]{\unm śrīmanthāna} % stemma error
     \rdg[wit={C4,L1,N5}]{manthāra}
     \rdg[wit={N13,Tü,V1,V22,Vu}]{manthāno\skp{-}}
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{mandāra}}%
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{bhairavo}
     \rdg[wit={N20}]{mairavo}
     \rdg[wit={N23}]{bhairavā}
     \rdg[wit={V26}]{bhaivarau}}
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{yogī}
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{jogī}
     \rdg[wit={C1}]{siddha}
     \rdg[wit={V5}]{siddhe}
     \rdg[wit={J15,V8}]{yogi}}
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{siddha}
\rdg[type=stemmapoint,wit={B1,B3,C2,C3,C4pc,C6,N1,J10,J13,J17,N6,N10,N13,N17,Tü,V4,V11,V22,V26}]{śuddha} 
%stemma point
     \rdg[wit={J15}]{śruddha}
     \rdg[wit={B2,N19,V6}]{siddho\skp{-}}
     \rdg[wit={C1,V5}]{yogī} %s
     \rdg[wit={V1}]{suddha}
     \rdg[wit={J1,J3,J14,N2,N16}]{siddhi}
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{sandhi}
     \rdg[wit={N20}]{viddha}
     \rdg[wit={N22}]{sidha}
     \rdg[wit={N24}]{siddhar\skp{-}}
     \rdg[wit={V8}]{suddho}}\app{\lem[wit={ceteri},alt={buddhaś 
ca}]{buddha\skp{ś-ca}}
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{tudhiś ca}
     \rdg[wit={C7}]{pādaś ca}
\rdg[type=stemmapoint,wit={C6,J1,J3,N3,N16,N20,V2,V3,V26}]{buddhiś 
ca}%stemma point
     \rdg[wit={N22}]{nudhaś ca}
     \rdg[wit={N24}]{cuddhaś ca}
}\skm{ś-ca}
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{kanthaḍiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={B1}]{kanthariḥ}
     \rdg[wit={B2,N23}]{kanthaḍīḥ}
     \rdg[wit={C1,C6,J15,N10,N12,N20,N21,V6}]{kanthaḍī}
     \rdg[wit={C3}]{kanthaṭī}
     \rdg[wit={C4ac}]{kukuḍiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={V1,J10pc,N3}]{kanthalī}
     \rdg[wit={J10ac}]{kanhalī}
     \rdg[wit={N5}]{kaṃtharī}
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{kanthaḍi}
     \rdg[wit={J17,N6,N17,N22,V4,V11}]{kandalī} %
     \rdg[wit={V3}]{kanthaḍīṃ}
     \rdg[wit={J1}]{kanthaviḥ}
     \rdg[wit={V8}]{kandali}
     \rdg[wit={N13}]{kaṃpaṭiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={Tü}]{kaṃpaḍiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={M1}]{paddhatiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={V26}]{kānuṭiḥ}
    }/}\\
\tl{
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{pauraṇṭakaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={N22}]{pauraṃṭaka}
     \rdg[wit={N5}]{pauraṃṭhakaḥ } % group according to alphabetical 
order?
     \rdg[wit={B1,N1,N10,V6}]{pauraṇḍakaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={V11}]{pauraṇḍakaṃ }
     \rdg[wit={B2}]{pauraṇḍaṅka}
     \rdg[wit={C3}]{pauraṃṭaṃka}
     \rdg[wit={N16,N24}]{kauraṇṭakaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={N12}]{kauraṃṭaka}
     \rdg[wit={J14,V26}]{kauraṇḍakaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{koraṃṭaka}
     \rdg[wit={J4,N21,N23}]{koraṃtakaḥ }
     \rdg[type=stemmapoint,wit={C6,N13,Tü,V22,Vu}]{koraṃṭakaḥ }% 
stemma point?
     \rdg[wit={N2}]{koraṇṭīkaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={N3}]{goraṃṭaka}
     \rdg[wit={M1}]{ghoraṃṭakaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={V8}]{\unm kāhapauraṇṭaka}
     \rdg[wit={Vu}]{koraṃḍīka}
     \rdg[wit={V2}]{kauraṃḍīkaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={N20}]{paura...kaḥ } %illeg
\rdg[wit={C1,J3,L1,N11,V5,V19}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word, 
quantity=1}}}}
}\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{surānandaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={B2,N12}]{sarānanda}
     \rdg[wit={C2,J2,N2,N3,V3,N22,V2}]{surānanda}
     \rdg[wit={N24}]{śurānaṃdaḥ }
     \rdg[wit={J4}]{sarānandaḥ }
\rdg[wit={C1,J3,L1,N11,V5,V19}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word, 
quantity=1}}}}
}\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{siddha}
     \rdg[wit={V1,J1,J2,N16,N24}]{siddhi}
     \rdg[wit={V8}]{siddhā}
\rdg[wit={C1,J3,L1,N11,V5,V19}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word, 
quantity=1}}}}}\app{\lem[wit={ceteri},alt={pādaś}]{pāda\skp{ś-ca}}
     \rdg[wit={N22}]{pāda}
\rdg[wit={C1,J3,L1,N11,V5,V19}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word, 
quantity=1}}}}}\app{\lem[wit={ceteri},alt={ca}]{\skm{ś-ca}}
     \rdg[wit={N22}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word, 
quantity=1}}}}}
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}]{carpaṭiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={B1,B2,N2,N17,N23,V3,V4}]{carppaṭiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={C3,J17,V6}]{carppaṭī}
     \rdg[wit={C4ac,C6,C7,V1,V2}]{carpaṭī}
     \rdg[wit={C4pc,J1,J15,N3,V8,N24}]{carpaṭi}
     \rdg[wit={J2}]{tarpaṭi}
     \rdg[wit={M1}]{parpaṭiḥ}
     \rdg[wit={N5}]{carpaṭīḥ}
     \rdg[wit={N11,V11}]{carpaṭaḥ}
\rdg[wit={C1,J3,L1,N11,V5,V19}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word, 
quantity=1}}}}
%\note*{1.6cd is omitted in C1,J3,L1,N11,V5,V19.}
}//}
\end{tlg}
It is obvious that it is not possible to read the text anymore, a 
single verse does not even fit the screen. For
editing and selecting the variants one has to produce a formatted pdf 
version.
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Another disadvantage of the edmac style approach is that it expects 
European languages. Scripts are
no more the main problem, but the interaction of different scripts, 
word divisions and other minute
details make daily life of the editor complicated.
I hope the next example is more or less intelligible.
We have a Sanskrit text passage that reads in transcription as:
samyaggomaya
The word consists of two elements, samyag and gomaya, but in the 
Indian script that we use for the
critical text the "ggo" is a ligature. So in giving variants for both 
words, we cannot just
separate samyag and gomaya, for then the ligature gg is not printed 
correctly. We also want to
quote the correct word samyag in the apparatus (which is in roman!). 
Now, to make things more
complicated the xml text should contain the correct word division, so 
we have to split samyag and
gomaya. Thus, we now have to write the first "g" twice, first as 
\skp{g}, which explains to the xml
converter that this is the logical position of the g (in the word 
samyag), and \skm{g}, which tells
TeX to print this together with the next g as the ligature gg. Because 
of this mess, we need a
modified lemma, "alt={gomaya}" so that the apparatus comes out correctly.
\app{\lem[alt={samyag},wit={ceteri}]{samya\skp{g-}}
      \rdg[wit={B2}]{samyaṃ}
      \rdg[wit={J4}]{sāṃyaṃ}
      \rdg[wit={J13,V1,N2,N19,V11}]{samyak}
      \rdg[wit={N3}]{saṃ}
      \rdg[wit={V8}]{liptaṃ}
      \rdg[wit={N21}]{ramyaṃ}
\rdg[wit={N22}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word,quantity=1}}}}
}%
\app{\lem[wit={ceteri}, alt={gomaya}]{\skm{g-}gomaya}
      \rdg[wit={C4,C6,V3,V8,N13,N19,N21,N23,Tü,V4,V11}]{gomaya}
      \rdg[wit={V26}]{jogamaya}
\rdg[wit={N22}]{{\supplied{\gap{reason=lost,unit=word,quantity=1}}}}
}
Please ignore the details, but perhaps you get my point. It is all 
becoming very ingenious and it
is a great relief that all this can be automatized. But it is also 
increasingly complicated to work
with and slowing down editing considerably.
This is why I was curious to see about the status of critical edition 
in ConTeXt. I was hoping for
something that can be kept simple.
...
The only real question I have to those who produce critical editions 
for real: are the examples I've linked to useful and appropriate to 
be copied?
Absolutely. It would be great to see a Context solution for this.
Greetings
Jürgen
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On 24 Dec 2021, at 12:07, Hans Hagen via ntg-context 
 wrote:
a lot related to numbering, referencing and notes and much of that 
is present
so if you can team up with other critical edition users ... i 
suppose that Idris can send you his onthology-so-far
I'm not a user but was intrigued by Juergen's original post. In an 
effort to educate myself I found this page 
https://www.djdekker.net/ledmac/examples.html and thought about how 
those examples might be set using ConTeXt instead. It didn't take 
long to realise that Juergen pretty much has it exactly right with 
his sample code.
If it would help I could have a go at setting one or two of those 
examples and put it onto the Wiki somewhere?
The only real question I have to those who produce critical editions 
for real: are the examples I've linked to useful and appropriate to 
be copied?
—
Bruce Horrocks
Hampshire, UK
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