Am 2019-11-23 um 16:50 schrieb Mojca Miklavec
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 16:40, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2019-11-23 um 15:14 schrieb Mojca Miklavec: On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 at 13:02, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2019-11-23 um 08:12 schrieb Mojca Miklavec:
Then you can use one of the online JS editors like CKeditor.\
Only if you spend an enormous amount of effort making sure that the code is properly cleaned up rather than containing a gazillion random html style tags which you can never reconstruct back into some structured form.
Don’t exaggerate. Or maybe your company didn’t think about which tags are really necessary. A proper configuration that doesn’t allow nonsense, even if users paste text from Word documents, is not such a big effort.
I'm not exaggerating, I would gladly be convinced/proved that I'm wrong. How much effort (expressed in hours or days) do you think is needed to implement the following?
Oh, IMO that wishlist is very demanding. I’d say it’s more or less impossible with any HTML editor.
So where do we stand with "you are exaggerating, it's really simple", then? How many hours to configure it? ;)
I was thinking about text (articles, literature), you were thinking about complex material. The first is simple, the latter is, well, at least complex.
(ConTeXt has no problems doing all that, and asciidoc as potential input format supports all the required features as well;
But that’s structured input; I thought we were talking about HTML editors. HTML is only well structured (in a general sense, not XML) if you write it this way manually or if you severely limit the user of an editor.
if a nice translation layer is defined, one can get both awesome html out of the box as well as high quality PDF. I'm just saying that I find MCE somewhat useless. Whether or not that's exaggerating ... still waiting to be proven wrong.)
MCE is a known example, but probably not the best for every purpose. Also a matter of taste...
The JS editors I know of allow for custom menus, and it should be easy to setup special divs for these warning sections. I don’t know any good table or formula editors/plugins, though. I’m not up to date, but I guess with a graphical/“WYSIWYG” tool you’ll never get perfectly structured input and will never be able to address finer details of typography, esp. WRT math.
Well ... both Word and Open/LibreOffice do a pretty decent job w.r.t math nowadays, MathJax is awesome, and I've also seen some awesome javascript apps allowing you to edit equations. So it's not impossible. Just not that straightforward …
Since I seldom need formulae, I got no experience with those. Last time I had to use Word’s formula editor it was horrible, but that was in 2005 or so, and Microsoft did their homework since. I guess it’s still easier to write TeX code than clicking formulae together.
I'm not saying that I really need a WYSIWYG editor. Anyone who's supposed to enter correct complex formulas should be able to learn some basic markup language (I guess).
I agree. Best, Hraban