Hi, concerning the offsets in framed .. - we cannot use leftoffset etc as name because these are already used in mechanisms that build on top of framed and it would add quite some extra code (and probably bugs) to those mechanisms - adding additional rulethickness variants is non trivial since the rulethickness is also used elsewhere (rounded corners etc) and the code would become rather messy; also, we can use mp for special frames (after all, extra thickness makes no sense without extra colors) so, as an experiment i added support for extra offsets but these work *on top* of the existing offset; they have names like loffset, roffset, toffset and boffset; the speed penalty is neglectable (only mkiv because it has a more clever inheritance model for derived framed mechanisms) Hans ps. for quite a long time there is a command \offset which takes leftoffset cum suis plus some more ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------