I find a get a lot of whitespace around my defined descriptions. Setting \setupdescriptions[\c!before=,\c!inbetween=,\c!after=] does not much help. Is there something else that can be done. Preferably without resorting to wild guesses like "before=\godown[-10pt]" or the like. Or is there something else I fail to see. A sample of the code involved(don't mind the \@@exm.. parameters, they are defined elsewhere, annotationtext is a token register): \definedescription[annotationblock][margin=no,location=top,width=broad,% before=,inbetween=,after=\strut,% headstyle=\@@exmintrostyle,style=\@@exmstyle,% text=\placeannotationstart] \def\annotation#1\par{\global\annotationtext={#1}}% \long\def\startannotation#1\stopannotation{\global\annotationtext={#1}}% %....................................................................... % placing the annotation indicator in the annotationblock description \def\placeannotationstart{% no white above and below rule \vboxinsideframedtext{% \setuptextrules[style=\@@exmintrostyle]% \textrule{\WWord{\Note}}}} Hans van der Meer