Hans, guess I didn't explain wel enough. Using Wolfgang's TABLE module \bTABLE \bTABLEhead \bTR \bTH Group \eTH \bTH N \eTH \bTH MEAN \eTH \bTH STD \eTH \bTH MIN \eTH \bTH MAX \eTH \bTH Gini \eTH \bTH 80/20 \eTH \eTR \eTABLEhead \bTABLEbody \bTR \bTC[nc=8] 1980 \eTC \eTR . .. . lots and lots and lots or rows . ... . \eTABLEbody \bTABLEfoot \bTR \bTC[nc=8]*\$=New Taiwan Dollars \eTC \eTR \eTABLEfoot \eTABLE\eTABLEbody \bTABLEfoot \bTR \bTC[nc=8]*\$=New Taiwan Dollars \eTC \eTR \eTABLEfoot \eTABLE all works fine but when I add: \placetable[here][tab:five]{Descriptive Statistics for Salaried Men \& Women} { in order to get reference, caption I lose the split and so the tables just runs OFF the end of the page suggestions PLEASE barney