Le 01/02/2011 20:21, Graham Douglas a écrit :
Hi
to all
Apologies in advance for the slightly off-topic nature of this
post. I've been reading about HarfBuzz which certainly looks to
be an interesting project. From the project page there is a link
to an article titled "State of Text Rendering" by Behdad Esfahbod
http://behdad.org/text/
Within that article is a section on TeX engines with a reference
to
XeTeX and LuaTeX --- I'm just quoting a small bit of the article
which
I hope is not too much out of context:
"The XeTeX creator is working on HarfBuzz on behalf of Mozilla
now, and plans to port XeTeX to HarfBuzz eventually. In the long
term though, pdfTeX's successor luaTeX should be made to do the
same thing. There is more to Unicode support than just shaping,
and in those areas the TeX engines can gain a lot by building on
top of existing libraries."
At present my own understanding of the precise role that HarfBuzz
could
play is a little sketch/hazy right now, but I'm working on that
;-). In the meantime I'd be interested to know if, in theory,
HarfBuzz could be
usefully plugged into LuaTeX, such as via an external library
(.so/.dll).From what I understand... HarfBuzz provides a shaping
engine
so that, for example, it could provide useful services such as the
bidi algorithm, and information that could be useful for
typesetting complex
scripts such as Arabic. Again, I stress my currently incomplete
understanding of the precise services HarfBuzz would provide.
lso,
how would you pass back to LuaTeX the results so that the LuaTeX
engine
could use them?
If anyone could help me understand this a little more or indeed
let me know if there really is nothing to explore that too would
be good. I have not tried to compile HarfBuzz yet so have not
played with it at all. I'm merely curious in light of the remarks
on the HarfBuzz site.
I don't understand exactly what HarfBuzz does, but as I get it it
maps characters to glyphs, what it calls "text shaping", taking care
of such things as substitutions and the like.
With LuaTeX (which I don't pretend to understand exactly either),
when it comes to such matters, you're alone: you're the one in
charge of "text shaping", even for ligatures from pairs of glyphs
(e.g. "ff"), since you're supposed to have created them when loading
the font. So I don't think integrating HarfBuzz would be in line
with LuaTeX's philosophy, otherwise it would be no different from
XeTeX in that respect. On the other hand, nothing prevents you (the
user) from calling HarfBuzz (or doing whatever you're supposed to do
with it) from LuaTeX, I guess.
As for the sentence "LuaTeX should be made to do the same thing", if
"should" means "it'd be good", I suppose the author hasn't really
understood LuaTeX; if "should" means "it is going to happen,
normally", then I haven't really understood LuaTeX. What the
last sentence means is obscure to me.
Again, I don't know much about HarfBuzz, and I can't obviously make
any authorized statement on LuaTeX, but that's how I see things.
Best,
Paul