2007/9/19, Hans Hagen :

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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mktexmf

^ probably not, not sure what it does

man mktexmf "mktexmf is used to generate the Metafont source file for font, if possible. For example, ecrm1200 or cmr11." Best Martin

On 9/19/07, Hans Hagen wrote:

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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a.) do we still need any of these? afm2pl afm2tfm

Are these two needed? (Probably for debugging, as below.)

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dvipdfmx

What is with dvipdfmx? Wasn't that one for aleph (which is not in the minimals any more)?

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mktexmf

^ probably not, not sure what it does

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mmafm mmpfb

^ multiple master fonts are obsolete

OK

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pfb2pfa

^ can go away

OK

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pltotf tftopl

knuthian progies so let's keep them (debugging)

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ttf2afm

maybe keep it for a while (debugging

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ttf2tfm

does not really work i think

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vftovp vptovf

knuthian progs

so: mktexmf, ttf2tfm and pfb2pfa can go away

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b.) stubs (Hans: should I simply copy everything from stubs there?) concheck ctxtools exaclient exampleg examplex exaresolve exaserver exatools

exastuff can go away (one can alway suse texmfstart scriptname)

OK.

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imgtopdf

i need the minimals myself, so keep that one for a while

I didn't intend to remove any of those files.

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makempy mptopdf pdftools pstopdf rlxtools rscortool rsfiltool rslibtool texexec texfont texshow textools texutil tmftools xmltools

okay

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c.) simply copy from cont-tmf texmfstart luatools mtxrun

indeed, beware, we need these copied in the bin path !

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d.) to be taken from texlive dvitodvi

used?

texexec probably replaced it's functionality. Perhaps it might go away.

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kpseaccess

used?

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kpsestat

used?

If texexec doesn't use it, people don't use it either, I assume.

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kpsewhich mktexlsr pdftosrc

also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf

Hmmm ... apparently that one is only needed for windows, or to be put in other words: there is no binary in texlive for other platforms. Apparently I got it with fink. It might be nice to have it for other platforms, but I don't know where to get it. Perhaps it's considered so standard that texlive didn't include it? Mojca

Martin Schröder wrote:

2007/9/19, Mojca Miklavec :

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also pdfinfo, pdftops, pdfimages ... everything from xpdf Hmmm ... apparently that one is only needed for windows, or to be put in other words: there is no binary in texlive for other platforms. Apparently I got it with fink. It might be nice to have it for other

On 9/19/07, Hans Hagen wrote: platforms, but I don't know where to get it. Perhaps it's considered so standard that texlive didn't include it?

It's normally included with xpdf, which we also don't supply.

for windows it's a separate package (no xpdf), how hard would it be to make a tools-only variant? maybe even in the pdftex repos? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Mojca, On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:24:02 -0600, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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dvipdfmx

What is with dvipdfmx? Wasn't that one for aleph (which is not in the minimals any more)?

dvipdfmx is still important in the cjk community, and in any case it's needed for luatex dvi-mode (still lots of testing needed, as the \pardir thread on the luatex list shows) I suppose the same applies to xdvipdfmx... Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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Hi Mojca,

On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:24:02 -0600, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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dvipdfmx What is with dvipdfmx? Wasn't that one for aleph (which is not in the minimals any more)? dvipdfmx is still important in the cjk community, and in any case it's needed for luatex dvi-mode (still lots of testing needed, as the \pardir thread on the luatex list shows)

I suppose the same applies to xdvipdfmx...

AFAIK, xdvipdfmx is a superset of dvipdfmx. Is that not true?

yes, with additional dvi instructions (and some [piping stuff]) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

I have a somewhat longer list of exes that I believe can be weeded out:

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dvipdfmx

Is that still needed ? I always run xdvipdfmx instead

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mktexmf

We don't ship mf sources to take advantage of it

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mmafm mmpfb pfb2pfa

All three can go I think

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ttf2tfm

Last time I checked this was terribly outdated. It didn't like any of the ttfs I tried to feed it. ttf2afm does much better.

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dvips

Dvips needs a bunch of postscript header (.pro) files, that are not in the distro right now, I think. When I tried to run it just now, it was complaining about missing stuff.

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dvitodvi

I believe this does something for booklet generation.

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kpseaccess kpsestat

those are helpers used by mktexlsr.

gforce, taco can tell, we may put them on the luatex site as well

http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/metapost has mpost binaries for linux-i386 and windows, the rest of the platform binaries would have to come from texlive at the moment.

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luatex texlua (same as luatex, I guess, or simply a symbolic link?) texluac (same as luatex, I guess)

the latter two are symlinks, ideally.

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xdvipdfmx xetex

+ pdftex.pool and xetex.pool

for the moment yes, taco ... shouldn't we move pools files into the bins?

I thought Jonathan had that planned for 0.997. For pdftex: we had a discussion about the pool file once already, and I am not in the mood to repeat it. Best wishes, Taco

Hans Hagen wrote:

well, i'm sure that martin can integrate it into the build; would save a lot of hassle with binary updates (no problem for tex live since the polish dropped their translated pool files long ago)

Last time, there were quite a few political/sentimental objections, and I do want to restart the arguments about that. This type of discussion takes way too much of my time already. Maybe you or Martin is interested in championing the extension? Best wishes, Taco

Hans Hagen wrote:

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dvips

Dvips needs a bunch of postscript header (.pro) files, that are not in the distro right now, I think. When I tried to run it just now, it was complaining about missing stuff.

so we can go pdf and use pdftops if someone wants proper postscript

That would be fine for me personally, but I assume there are people out there that depend on ps features like eps inclusion and pstricks. Then again, those people can't be using the minimals right now, as the supplied dvips does not work. Best wishes, Taco