core-des (Re: \defineenumeration broken in alpha)
Hans, I've patched my local alpha tree by updating core-des.tex (i've ignored core-des-des). I hope that was correct? Greetings, Taco On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:11:32 +0200, Hans wrote:
Hi Christopher
either \defineenumeration is broken in , or I always used it incorrectly:
a problem indeed; i missed a couple of low level translations
attached is a new file; you may also test the core-des-des one (just input it in cont-new or in your file)
Hans
-- groeten, Taco
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans,
I've patched my local alpha tree by updating core-des.tex (i've ignored core-des-des). I hope that was correct?
sure, (although i run core-des-des here -) in a week or so we need to go beta (since i want this version on tex live) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hi, At http://www.pragma-ade.com:8069 you can find a preview of the new pragma web site. It works ok with firefox, kind of ok with opera, ok at the cost of some mess with internet explorer, not optimal with safari but ... ... the nice thing is that i now generate the whole lot from a small set of xml documents using xslt, so that i can more easily maintain the site + links; the next/previous buttons work as in pdf docs -) if you click the 'exa' link, you will get a few interfaces currently it runs on our old web server [some 500 mhz celeron machine]; in a couple of week it will run on one of our new web servers (2.2 gig 64 bit opterons) i cross my fingers that the webrick based http server (ruby) can handle things (i'll run the webpages on apache as well) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hi Hans,
I just went there and had a look around. I like the look of
the new site, but of course I have comments. Then again, I assume
that is why it was on dev-context in the first place :)
Here we go:
- Assuming most of the CSS is 'frozen', you could move that into
a separate style.css file and linking to that. It will save you
on traffic and it makes it easier to use a different CSS file
for IE (if desired). The best 'real' solution for IE and older
browsers would (no doubt) be to use frames.
- In my browser (a galeon based on mozilla 1.4), the main download
window and the 'documents and examples' window force a
horizontal scrollbar to appear (the table is wider than it's
allocated space). Will check with a newer browser on monday,
but the problem will probably remain as long as there are
table tags. 'position: absolute' and html tables do not blend
well, is my experience.
- The 'pod' login page is a bit different from the rest, I assume
that is on purpose, but I thought I'd better ask j.i.k.
- it would be nice if it was clear from the outset that the
'showcase' is a pdf file. Or perhaps make it pop up a window
of it's own? It destroys the layout which is a pity.
- the 'next-previous' buttons give no visual indication of how
'large' the loop is nor on what page of the loop you are,
and I miss that. Perhaps a color-bar as in some of the s-pre
styles?
- Fianlly, all pages have the title "Generated page", which is
correct but somewhat pointless.
Greetings and good luck,
Taco
On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:25:29 +0200
Hans Hagen
Hi,
At http://www.pragma-ade.com:8069 you can find a preview of the new pragma web site. It works ok with firefox, kind of ok with opera, ok at the cost of some mess with internet explorer, not optimal with safari but ...
... the nice thing is that i now generate the whole lot from a small set of xml documents using xslt, so that i can more easily maintain the site + links; the next/previous buttons work as in pdf docs -)
if you click the 'exa' link, you will get a few interfaces
currently it runs on our old web server [some 500 mhz celeron machine]; in a couple of week it will run on one of our new web servers (2.2 gig 64 bit opterons)
i cross my fingers that the webrick based http server (ruby) can handle things (i'll run the webpages on apache as well)
Hans
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Hi Taco,
Hi Hans,
I just went there and had a look around. I like the look of the new site, but of course I have comments. Then again, I assume that is why it was on dev-context in the first place :)
sure.
Here we go:
- Assuming most of the CSS is 'frozen', you could move that into a separate style.css file and linking to that. It will save you on traffic and it makes it easier to use a different CSS file for IE (if desired). The best 'real' solution for IE and older browsers would (no doubt) be to use frames.
i had that as a start, however, there is nothing like a symbolic color; ans so i would end up with some 20 nearly identical css styles that then had to be downloaded; you're right about the trafic; once the site goes life, i'll make the style more compacts (less spacy)
- In my browser (a galeon based on mozilla 1.4), the main download window and the 'documents and examples' window force a horizontal scrollbar to appear (the table is wider than it's allocated space). Will check with a newer browser on monday, but the problem will probably remain as long as there are table tags. 'position: absolute' and html tables do not blend well, is my experience.
ok, i made the font a bit smaller now; i tested on a high res screen; i didn't want too wide lines, but i found out that setting max-width: 60em works quite well (prevents too wide lines on a 1600x1200 full screen) i'm thinking about an article for the maps about css versus tex -) interestingly th eeasierst thing, i.e. getting the page dimensions right, is the one bugged most; safari [kde based] is the worst the _parameter: ... is needed for internet explorer [igmored by rest]
- The 'pod' login page is a bit different from the rest, I assume that is on purpose, but I thought I'd better ask j.i.k.
ok, will check; i generate three sets: web pages, interfaces, login things and they need to be moved to different places; i need to figure that out -)
- it would be nice if it was clear from the outset that the 'showcase' is a pdf file. Or perhaps make it pop up a window of it's own? It destroys the layout which is a pity.
maybe a roll over, but that is javascript; maybe i get a brainwave because it indeed is a strange animal (but i like the showcase); a similar inconsistency is in the documentations first entry (because there i want to default to the html based collection first)
- the 'next-previous' buttons give no visual indication of how 'large' the loop is nor on what page of the loop you are, and I miss that. Perhaps a color-bar as in some of the s-pre styles?
ah ... i think that is doable; nice challenge; goes on the todo list as well btw, one strange thing i ran into is that sometimes position() increments by 2 instead of 1
- Fianlly, all pages have the title "Generated page", which is correct but somewhat pointless.
-) yeah, i need to pass the title around [one of the cases where the lack of global vars messes up xslt] ; i've put it on the todo list too can you mirror this ok? (there is a wget.txt file as well) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
h h extern said this at Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:46:38 +0200:
safari [kde based] is the worst
Out of curiosity, which version? The Safari engine (and especially CSS implementation) has evolved really quickly. I'm running 1.2.3. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Adam Lindsay wrote:
h h extern said this at Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:46:38 +0200:
safari [kde based] is the worst
Out of curiosity, which version? The Safari engine (and especially CSS implementation) has evolved really quickly. I'm running 1.2.3.
the latest, that is, i updated my mac, then it could not boot any more, so i had to reinstall osx, updated again, then it worked, so i assume that i used the latest the problem with safari is that it does not handle % dimensions well Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
h h extern said this at Sat, 2 Oct 2004 20:46:38 +0200:
- Assuming most of the CSS is 'frozen', you could move that into a separate style.css file and linking to that. It will save you on traffic and it makes it easier to use a different CSS file for IE (if desired). The best 'real' solution for IE and older browsers would (no doubt) be to use frames.
i had that as a start, however, there is nothing like a symbolic color; ans so i would end up with some 20 nearly identical css styles that then had to be downloaded;
Um, this might be naive, cos I haven't dealt with heavy CSS support in multiple browsers, but... Why not let the stylesheets "cascade"? Define the geometry in style.css and have colors defined locally? That'll cut down somewhat, no? adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Adam Lindsay wrote:
Why not let the stylesheets "cascade"? Define the geometry in style.css and have colors defined locally? That'll cut down somewhat, no?
maybe later -) currently all pages are some 6K, not that bad, esp since there are no graphics and it's just one request well, i was even thinking of just sending the xml and a xsl stylesheet, since isn't that what has been advertised for years now -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 20:46:38 +0200
h h extern
ok, i made the font a bit smaller now; i tested on a high res screen; i didn't want too wide lines, but i found out that setting
max-width: 60em
works quite well (prevents too wide lines on a 1600x1200 full screen)
looks much better now.
i'm thinking about an article for the maps about css versus tex -) interestingly th eeasierst thing, i.e. getting the page dimensions right, is the one bugged most; safari [kde based] is the worst
safari's engine originally tried to mimic all quirks from IE 4, 5 and 5.5 as well as NS 4.7x. So much so, that I still use kde's konqueror to browse old IE-only sites: it's the only browser I have that displays those pages reasonably. But it is steadily moving towards standards (which actually makes it less usable for me), so newer version may be better.
can you mirror this ok? (there is a wget.txt file as well)
No problem. Greetings, Taco
Ok, new upload: - under links -> second page -> last entry -> browse site - page n of m added (i tried all kind of other locations but this suits best and is most save) - some small fixes - roll over added to top entries (so that taco can see that it's a pdf doc) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, Oct 03, 2004 at 11:22:12PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Ok, new upload:
- under links -> second page -> last entry -> browse site - page n of m added (i tried all kind of other locations but this suits best and is most save) - some small fixes - roll over added to top entries (so that taco can see that it's a pdf doc)
Hans
Typo on the main page, last paragraph: presumably the 'download' link which starts pdf navigation should be 'showcase'. -- Siep Kroonenberg
On Fri, Oct 01, 2004 at 10:25:29PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
At http://www.pragma-ade.com:8069 you can find a preview of the new pragma web site. It works ok with firefox, kind of ok with opera, ok at the cost of some mess with internet explorer, not optimal with safari but ...
... the nice thing is that i now generate the whole lot from a small set of xml documents using xslt, so that i can more easily maintain the site + links; the next/previous buttons work as in pdf docs -)
if you click the 'exa' link, you will get a few interfaces
currently it runs on our old web server [some 500 mhz celeron machine]; in a couple of week it will run on one of our new web servers (2.2 gig 64 bit opterons)
i cross my fingers that the webrick based http server (ruby) can handle things (i'll run the webpages on apache as well)
Hans
Pretty nice; a great improvement in terms of navigation. Two comments, though: 1. What about just using relative font sizes? 2. The site relies rather heavily on color for subdividing the page. FireFox and other browsers have an option to enforce the user's choice of colors. The page design doesn't hold up too well with that option enabled. -- Siep Kroonenberg
Siep Kroonenberg wrote:
1. What about just using relative font sizes?
i tested al these things with different browsers; in only use three sizes (in px measures since they are supposed to be treated assuming 96 dpi; which seems t be true for all browsers i tested); using a % would be nice, but each browser has a different opinion on how to deal with % at what level of <div>; actually, i'm really surprised that so many sites work at all (probably because of of dirty tricks or javascript based css]; safari was the worst: the navigation ended up way off screen ; i now use a system of more or less fixed sized combined with misusing padding/margins as compensation jumps [i spent a whole week playing with css and margins and percentages and ... what a mess; search the web for vertical alignment in css and you get pretty depressed] i now made the fonts a bit smaller (tuned for 1024x768; i was testing on 1600x1200; i keep playing with a way to find a good base size [window size dependent] and start from that;
2. The site relies rather heavily on color for subdividing the page. FireFox and other browsers have an option to enforce the user's choice of colors. The page design doesn't hold up too well with that option enabled.
hm, i need to look into that; but isn't user defined coloring going to spoil about every site that uses colors? i will probably use different color combinations every few months -) [i now understand why some sites, like fontshop.be prefers macro media based sites, it gives more control and is browser independent] Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 08:32:56PM +0200, h h extern wrote:
Siep Kroonenberg wrote:
1. What about just using relative font sizes?
i tested al these things with different browsers; in only use three sizes (in px measures since they are supposed to be treated assuming 96 dpi; which seems t be true for all browsers i tested); using a % would be nice, but each browser has a different opinion on how to deal with % at what level of <div>; actually, i'm really surprised that so many sites work at all (probably because of of dirty tricks or javascript based css]; safari was the worst: the navigation ended up way off screen ; i now use a system of more or less fixed sized combined with misusing padding/margins as compensation jumps
[i spent a whole week playing with css and margins and percentages and ... what a mess; search the web for vertical alignment in css and you get pretty depressed]
i now made the fonts a bit smaller (tuned for 1024x768; i was testing on 1600x1200; i keep playing with a way to find a good base size [window size dependent] and start from that;
These new sizes look more reasonable.
2. The site relies rather heavily on color for subdividing the page. FireFox and other browsers have an option to enforce the user's choice of colors. The page design doesn't hold up too well with that option enabled.
hm, i need to look into that; but isn't user defined coloring going to spoil about every site that uses colors?
Fact is, any time I visit a site with awkward colors I configure my browser to use my own colors, and don't bother to change this setting back until I am forced to. As long as I can decypher the content I am happy. But in this case, the difference in fontsize already helps to offset the main area and therefore clarifies the layout.
i will probably use different color combinations every few months -)
[i now understand why some sites, like fontshop.be prefers macro media based sites, it gives more control and is browser independent]
Not browser independent; as far as I know, there is no flash plugin for non-Intel Linux. Besides, some browsers are configured not to allow flash or javascript or whatever even when available; the less content needs to be processed, the faster the browsing. Also, the reader may like some control over presentation: some people like their browser to leave some screen space for other windows and therefore want everything as small as possible; some people have poor eyesight and want large font sizes.
Hans
-- Siep Kroonenberg
Siep Kroonenberg wrote:
Fact is, any time I visit a site with awkward colors I configure my browser to use my own colors, and don't bother to change this setting back until I am forced to. As long as I can decypher the content I am happy.
as soon as i have the time i will try to figure out how to add thin gray lines; i had that in a previous version and liked it; that will solve your problem unless the gray is also invisible -) i ran into browser problems (some strange interference between a border width and width calculation in percentages; one can compensate that with margin settings but it quickly becomes fuzzy);
Also, the reader may like some control over presentation: some people like their browser to leave some screen space for other windows and therefore want everything as small as possible; some people have poor eyesight and want large font sizes.
indeed; btw, did you ever visit www.fontshop.be (i'm sure you have a windows machine at elvenkind somewhere); a very nice tool to play with fonts. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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