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Hi, can the \defineplistplacement command in the same way be modified as the \defineheadplacement command to allow \definelistplacement[…][…]#1#2#3{…} % old form with parameters and \definelistplacement[…][…]{…} % new form without parameters \unexpanded\def\definelistplacement {\dodoubleempty\dodefinelistplacement} \def\dodefinelistplacement[#1][#2]% {\setvalue{\??listelement#1}% {\doifelsenothing{#2} {\getvalue{\??listelement\v!command}}% {\expandcheckedcsname\??listelement{#2}\v!command}% \setlistparameter\c!command{\getvalue{\??listelementcommand#1}}}% \doifnextbgroupelse {\dodefinelistplacementyes{#1}} {\dodefinelistplacementnop{#1}}} \def\dodefinelistplacementyes#1% {\setvalue{\??listelementcommand#1}##1##2} \def\dodefinelistplacementnop#1% {\setvalue{\??listelementcommand#1}} Wolfgang